Star wars is true - a theory of a spaceship plan on Earth

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Firstly I think its great that the OP was brave enough to post on an odd topic and make a video. Great job to put yourself out there.

I don't want to tear this whole concept apart but I am an Adjunct Professor of Native American Studies and Cultural Anthropology. I have studied pyramids from across the world. I have been to many Native American ones, one I have studied since I was in the 5th grade, it was what inspired me to study on these topics as an adult. I have physically been there, I have not read a bunch of unverifiable websites on google.

There IS NO "Spaceship" technology hidden there. I have seen/touched the technology used to create these mounds, and they are........... rocks. Not special super conductors. In fact my hands are small, so generally when I pick up these tools I can usually figure out pretty quickly how it was used. My fingers fall into the handholds of the ancient people. Sure some of these pyramids have been found to have different properties but that is nothing magical or making culture spontaneously mature, but rather the natural features of the environment in which they were made. The one that I have visited most often if magnetic. OH MY GOSH!!!!! THAT HAD TO BE ON PURPOSE!! THERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE RIGHT THERE!!!!

No......actually its because the area is full of hematite and under the right conditions, especially when moved and dropped (such as in building an earthen structure) it can become magnetized. This one is actually a calendar. It lines up with the solar eclipses. SEE I TOLD YOU, THERE IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY!

Sorry, nothing special there either. Unless you consider that we have deadly seasons up here, it was a calendar to mark when the weather was going to turn and when everyone needed to head south to avoid the dangerous fall and winter weather.

Usually we can figure out how these things were built, how they acquired materials and heck you can even see the carved marks on stone pyramids by the primitive tools used. No lasers involved. We actually know exactly where the quarries are that were minded to use the pyramids of Gaza. We have found almost finished obelisks that were abandoned. Now of course that does not happen all the time, we are still looking hard at Stonehenge and even things like the Colosseum.

I'm loving the new research with satellite imaging finding new Norse sites in North America. Great stuff! Amazingly they just verified one of the Norse Saga's by finding the actual site talked about in the saga.

So no there is no ancient cell phone, no hidden spaceships, and sadly no lizard men with a plan to take over planetary governments.

Oh Elvis is also not dead....he just went home.....

Agreed. This feud is over, let all our differences be settled.

J_Roz - Thanks for the comment, but I think me and Corwinani are going to go ahead and investigate anyway. But thanks

Silas Mercury wrote: And, furthermore, you tell me, even when you are a jedi, to bugger off ?? Should i report Gisteron to a moderator someone help me out

You are not made of sugar , read it , learn from it , tell Gisteron to bugger of himself if thats what you feel like , if we have to report everyone that makes us feel offended , some of us would not have home lifes anymore :laugh:

But thats just my modest opinion

Silas Mercury wrote: J_Roz - Thanks for the comment, but I think me and Corwinani are going to go ahead and investigate anyway. But thanks

You are always welcome to your opinions.........just not your own facts.

Have fun. I suggest physically going to some of these places and talking to the people who work there.

Thats what were gonna try to do. Organise a TotJO trip to Egypt, bOSNIA & Herzegovina

I can't believe this thread is getting so much attention. It kind of seems like a joke. The idea that the pyramids are some kind of control points or storage media for a planet sized space ship is rather far fetched. Then again, the big bang theory was originally decried as an attempt of "big religion" to subvert the steady state theory that the universe has always been here. It wasn't until the 1960s that the big bang theory gained enough traction that the scientific community at large began to accept that the universe had a beginning. My question is, how many other theories are wrong or at least a little off? Where are memories stored? It must be in the brain because, where else? What about gravity? There are many theories, but the most recent discoveries by the LHC have thrown them all up in the air. Particle physics is weird.

As for what I said about children's toys, little gold figurines that look like airplanes, carved wooden birds that look like airplanes, and the vimanas, they all came from somewhere. All I'm asking for is that archaeologists allow the idea of ancient high technology into the pool of ridiculous theories without just knee jerk dismissal of it. It is becoming more mainstream to at least consider the possibility.

For the record, I'm a huge fan of science. I love the sterile approach of scientific method. The tools of science are trustworthy, but to assume that scientists cannot become dogmatic in their assumptions is the height of hubris. It only takes a couple of generations to turn a theory into "basically fact." Once a theory is set in stone by college professors, people stop looking to prove it wrong. It saddens me that there are so few scientists working to disprove evolution, for example. It has been accepted by academia as truth and therefore doesn't require further testing. My opinion is that the complex theory of evolution is basically correct, but still needs fine tuning. What if the ball really was set in motion by some advanced extra terrestrial tech? The human genome project was all set to prove that humans naturally evolved from primates but instead, it threw a big monkey wrench into the theory by revealing a bunch of errant dna that is no where in the generic record until you look at fungus and bacteria. This anomaly might be solved if scientists could take a serious look at intelligent design theories without feeling like they are giving credence to religious nuts.

CableSteele wrote: Where are memories stored? It must be in the brain because, where else?

No. It's not just "the brain" and its especially not "because, where else?". We know with ever increasing certainty which areas of the brain are responsible for what type of memories, and we know this because we have MRI technology. We also have confirmation because of patients with different areas of their brain damaged leading to according gaps in memory, and because of drug interference that can alter, wipe and fake memories.

What about gravity? There are many theories, but the most recent discoveries by the LHC have thrown them all up in the air. Particle physics is weird.

No. The LHC is a device, not a person. And the thing about theories in physics is that they have a known and finite inaccuracy in their prediction for every also well known range they are applicable at. No amount of particle physics will throw the Newtonian model we use in, say, ballistics, up in the air, nor relativity we use in, say, astronomy.

As for what I said about children's toys, little gold figurines that look like airplanes, carved wooden birds that look like airplanes, and the vimanas, they all came from somewhere.

Yes, there is a number of places they can come from. Natural occurrence, human arts, human arts and subsequent deformation, alien arts, alien arts and subsequent deformation, intervention by the divine and intervention by regular mortal magic.

All I'm asking for is that archaeologists allow the idea of ancient high technology into the pool of ridiculous theories without just knee jerk dismissal of it.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Ancient high technology will not get a free pass just like nothing else does. When it becomes either a necessary or a sufficient explanation of anything, that's when this discussion will change.

It is becoming more mainstream to at least consider the possibility.

Citation, please...

The tools of science are trustworthy, but to assume that scientists cannot become dogmatic in their assumptions is the height of hubris.

Agreed. Everyone can become dogmatic in their views, irrespective of profession. Whether it is typical in a given one I guess is up to debate, and whether it is an acceptable thing to be in a profession like science, also, but technically you are correct. Do we have any reason to believe that a significant subset of scientists are?

It only takes a couple of generations to turn a theory into "basically fact."

No. No amount of time or generational change serves the acceptance of a scientific theory. Evidence does. Depending on what we mean by theory and fact respectively, it may be that the two are completely different categories altogether.

Once a theory is set in stone by college professors, people stop looking to prove it wrong.

Actually, no, most scientific theories barely even reach the public ear to begin with. College professors and their research teams postulate and test those theories, then submit their results to be falsified by other researchers familiar with the field. Some things get so well established down the line that it becomes a student exercise to test them and universities quit wasting their money on it. The greatest successes you can have as a scientist is overthrowing a hitherto dominant model. Nothing in science is set in stone and there is no greater disgrace than to be exposed as a lying sharlatan who would rather falsify their data than allow their pet theory to fall.

It saddens me that there are so few scientists working to disprove evolution, for example.

Most scientists aren't evolutionary biologists. Those who are test and alter and expand it all the time. That's literally their job. There used to be more who wanted to disprove it. Most gave up after understanding that they cannot becaus literally every relevant test confirms it.

It has been accepted by academia as truth and therefore doesn't require further testing.

No. It has been accepted by academia as reliably and accurately predicting outcomes of future experiments. The reason it is recognized for it is because of constant tests for it and these tests continue on with every new prediction derived from it.

My opinion is that the complex theory of evolution is basically correct, but still needs fine tuning.

Good. Many evolutionary biologists would agree. That's why the job still exists. If everything about evolution was settled, it would not be a field of science anymore.

What if the ball really was set in motion by some advanced extra terrestrial tech?

Good question. Not really much of a question for evolution though, because evolution is a theory of the diversity of life, not of its inception.

The human genome project was all set to prove that humans naturally evolved from primates...

No. It was set to map the human genome. That we are primates and that our most recent ancestors were, too, was of course known to the people behind the project, but the project was about mapping our DNA, what ever conclusions that would leave us with.

... but instead, it threw a big monkey wrench into the theory by revealing a bunch of errant dna that is no where in the generic record until you look at fungus and bacteria.

Citation, please.

This anomaly might be solved if scientists could take a serious look at intelligent design theories without feeling like they are giving credence to religious nuts.

There is no intelligent design theory though. The entire argument of the creationist is a refusal to acknowledge evidence of evolution and the entire intelligent design movement is religious in purpose and origin. The design proposition accounts for no evidence whatsoever and makes no falsifiable predictions either. And with nothing to test, what is there to consider?

J_Roz wrote: Sorry, nothing special there either. Unless you consider that we have deadly seasons up here, it was a calendar to mark when the weather was going to turn and when everyone needed to head south to avoid the dangerous fall and winter weather.

I love this post, but especially this part. I feel like there's actually an underlying current of racism in the theories that ancient peoples, American Indian peoples especially, were secretly hiding some super-advanced alien technology and that explains all their things that are weird and sophisticated that we do not see from similar time periods in the "western world."

The reality is that they were interested in things like keeping track of time and the progress of seasons (hence the Antikythera mechanism) and pyramid-like structures were rather useful feats of engineering. Some ancient civilizations were considerably more advanced than their European peers. The suggestion that they couldn't have done it without alien help is not only laughably ridiculous but suggests they would have been cavorting about mindlessly in loincloths without such help, as if Europeans are the only ones capable of relatively advanced technology.

Ancient societies were very sophisticated and a lot more technologically advanced than people think. The Third Dynasty of Ur (Mesopotamia, c. 2112 BCE - c. 2004 BCE) had extremely accurate standardized weights and record-keeping systems. Shulgi, probably the most famous Ur III king, was obsessed with building roads and inns. The astronomical knowledge of the ancient world, both western and otherwise, is astounding - but understandable. It was the only reliable way to keep time in a world where virtually everything hinged on the seasons.

Why must we look at these accomplishments and assume, "it was aliens"? A healthier assumption is that these people were sophisticated and intelligent, despite living so long ago, and deserve more credit than we give them.

Silas Mercury wrote: Is anyone here reading Gisteron's post and thinking, whoa, brother, calm down. You admit to taking the mickey. and somehow you claim that I'm arrogant and won't listen to you when you just commented a load of criticism to the original video. which helped nobody.

Silas Mercury wrote: And, furthermore, you tell me, even when you are a jedi, to bugger off ?? Should i report Gisteron to a moderator someone help me out

i think you should read this thread: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/115088-the-value-of-time-in-the-community

also, give this a gander: http://philosophy.hku.hk/think/critical/ct.php

lol, " "taking the mickey"

im in USA and ive never heard that before
im going to be saying it to everyone now lol