A thought on creation.

The Will of the Force?



I find it interesting that humans are so programmed to release control of the universe to some sort of “higher existence”. In church they testify it as “God’s Will”. In Star Wars it is simply “The Will of the Force”. There are many other references to this surrender in our man cultures here on earth, well let’s try to take a deeper look at this emotional detachment.

Scientifically we theorize that the beginning of our galaxy, approximately 13.8 billion years ago, was the result of an explosion that resulted in the ever expanding universe we know now. The explosion was triggered by high density and high temperature matter reacting with cosmic energies that existed at the time. Whilst this theory is the most popular among scientist and scholars, the Steady State Theory has also garnished itself some attention as an alternative to the Big Bang.

However, both these theories and many others require a sort of “start” to the initial design. An “alpha” point, if you will. Basically, I kind of view the entire idea like this. Imagine if existence, or the universe and all its facets, put into a ball. A small ball, let’s say, the size of BB-8. With what we know about modern physics, if I were to place that ball into a zero gravity vacuum, like space, and I allow nothing to interact with it… the ball will just sit there. Never moving. Never decaying. Just sits there. So the Big Bang never happens. Nothing gets created, nothing expands, it all just sits there. Something, let’s say the force, had to come along and give it a little push. Now this is something that I think most everyone can agree with. Even atheist scientist who believe in nothing at all, believe that energy for whatever reason, what the push that affected the ball.

What I want to discuss is the why? Maybe that’s too deep. Perhaps that is something we will never know the answer too ourselves, however I believe that regardless of the why, it had to be a conscience act. Maybe even conscience is to firm a word. But the force that started that first action, I doubt did so on accident. And if we can say that the act was performed consciously then we can apply a high understand or perhaps intelligence to the force.

This proposes the question and ideas of divine or ultimate plan at this point. Stating that there was perhaps a reason the force began the first act. An ends to a means. Following this train of thought we could arrive at the conclusion that we are pawns in a higher purpose, pieces of a game. We have many views on this idea, some implying that we are in control of the act itself, through the force. But I surmise that the force, in the end, is what controls us. Take for example, the butterfly effect. Does the force who beats the wings of the butterfly, not know of the future tsunami caused as a reaction? Or is that the intentional reaction?

Some of these questions I already have answers too, but I love to ponder on this subject along with others. Let me know what you think?

Would the the ball have to be without dimension to exist within a universal absolute vacuum that was all there [strike]was[/strike] wasn't. I think it might have to be without dimension... else what would the measure be of that dimension??

We only know as much about the universe as we know, and that is not everything so its all just conjecture.

I mean why only one ball, if there were more then one, perhaps a collision between them was the trigger. We might even be the ball looking inside ourselves and the universe is just ourselves, from different points of view
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So if the fundamental assumption were to be 'everything' existed at a single 'point' without dimension (because there is nothing to measure it against) then it really infers other dimensions to me perhaps.

But I don't really see any foundation for a will in creation from what I know, but I think we tend towards the belief because so much is beyond either our knowledge or our comprehension, and we use it instinctively as a tool to try and understand those deficits. Some would argue that its important to remember it as a tool and some would argue its counter-productive to remember its a tool, and some would argue its not a tool but a glimpse of truth - which is funny in a way because they'd be agreeing to some extent with the others because everyone would seem to be trying to glimpse some truth.
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Whatever the truth, it is in the looking that we find.

Marc wrote: What I want to discuss is the why?

Neo (from the Matrix) would answer "because I choose to"

It IS a deep question, as you state, and probably will continue to be a mystery for a long time. Personally I like the idea of the Hindu cyclical time, with the Big Bang probably being not THE beginning of the Universe, but the beginning of A Universe, that is preceeded and followed by an infinite number of cycles.

@Adder

I used the ball idea, because the big bang theory proposes that all of existence in the universe (matter wise) was actually condesned to a single focal point. Described by the greats like Carl Sagan, as about the size of a sugar cube. I guess its more of a picturesque idea, since we cannot really know.

@Manu

My own understanding and answer to some of those questions lies closely on the same line of Hindu cyclical time. But i will not divulge into that here. Thank you for your response. One can only ponder eh?

More to the point as Adder states. before there was space-time there was no matter nor was there any space - In fact there was only energy. Matter is just a form of energy. The quantum world is stranger than we can ever imagine and we have just begun to unlock some of its secrets. The probabilities that exist in that realm are endless. Like Schrodinger's cat maybe the universe existed in both an expanded state and a collapsed state until the first life emerged to observe it. Maybe the universe still exists in both states and we are only aware of one. Who knows for sure.

What we do know is that we do not know. Specifically we do not know what existed before the big bang nor do we know the state of that existence. That's OK, though, to say we don't know. Just because we don't know does not mean we should fill in that gap with an unproven, implausible explanation in an intelligent super "entity" that started it all. If nothing existed before the big bang where did this super entity come from? Its a never ending regression.

We may never know the answers to some of these questions but I don't think that is quite as important as the journey in exploring them. It is in studying some of these inherently unknowable concepts that we begin to unravel some of the mysteries of ourselves.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: We may never know the answers to some of these questions but I don't think that is quite as important as the journey in exploring them. It is in studying some of these inherently unknowable concepts that we begin to unravel some of the mysteries of ourselves.

Thats why I made the post Kyrin. To explore them. Thank you for your response.

I remember during a time in my life I wanted explanations for everything. The more I found the less I knew. I think of it as a eager time. Then some old man said " all your answers can be above you or in front of you " Took me a long time to figure what it was that old man ment. I began to notice the present moment more and live in it. As always a personal balance is always recommended, I found a clear way and new Balance. The balance of the moment, the here and now. I wasn't sure what keeps my attention from the present most time but for a while it seemed I was way too multi tasking. Spread thin. Then it's at and began to be present. Things changed. I recommend the seeking as much as possible. That's how we learn but do take time to look and be with the wonders that are present! May the Living Force be with you!

@Carlos

I agree very much with what you wrote. It is easy to get lost "outside the box" as it were. Sometimes it is important to remember that no matter the design and workings of this glorious existence, the undeniable fact is, is that WE exist in it. And I believe it is important to enjoy what we have. I have been writing a book, and the subject I posted above is one of many that I cover in my book. As I mentioned earlier, I have more idea's and answers to even some of those questions, but I like to hear the thoughts and opionins of others. As aristotle once said "the mark of an educated mind is one that can entertain every idea without adhearing to them". We all feel the force, albeit in different ways. Thank you so much for your response.

I was reading some time ago about Norse Mythology. As I understand it their "End of Times" event is called Ragnarok. Loki escapes his prison, Fenris eats Odin, whole hosts of things happen. At that point time "ends" and then starts over again. The Norse theory of time and destiny is circular.

Now my understanding of cosmology (as limited as it is) leads me to understand that the current prevailing theory is that eventually the Universe will stop expanding and actually contract back to its original single focal point. The source of the Big Bang.

Now what if the force that causes the big bang is the force of the Universe collapsing on itself and hitting a point where it can no longer contract and must expand violently. Then it reaches a point where it can't expand any more and must then again contract. Do you see where I'm going?

For all we know we aren't in the first Universe to exist. The Big Bang may have happened many, many times before the most recent one that we can actually measure. Further questioning, does it happen the same way every time or is it always a new configuration of that same matter?

This doesn't answer your question about the very first one, I know, but it's what I had to contribute to the idea. Fun topic.