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How many Hopes exist? One idea: Real and False Hope. No Hope and Lost Hope.
09 Mar 2016 18:08 - 09 Mar 2016 18:10 #232627
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What is Hope?
I don't know myself but I wanted to post some stuff here and would like to invite anyone with links or thoughts on hope to share all of that on this thread too. As far as I can see, we don't have much information here in the threads on hope.
I like the model that there are different types of hope which I found in this article...
Here's the description of the 4 types of hope:
(There's an image lower down within this with seems pretty clear for those who wish to avoid reading...)
And here's the complete article...
http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/hope.htm
I think that I personally go to and fro through all these stages and I find it useful that I can put words to distinguish between the different types.
There's also this idea that hope ISN'T a feeling but rather a "cognitive thinking approach"... and that this thinking process can be taught or developed! There's plenty more interesting bits and bobs around this, so for more on this idea and others enjoy watching Brene Brown in this talk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo4qXbz4G4
And then we can seperate hope for some aspects of our lives while in others we have none, false or lost hope. And sometimes I find that when I have no hope for one thing I may lose hope for other aspects of my life as well. I think however this works both ways... having real hope for one aspect of my life can also encourage me to be a realistic and positive in other areas. So perhaps if we wish to live full hearted and human lives we should focus on what we can be hopeful for.
This all reminds me of a study I helped with this morning where a question came up- how to favorise the positive engagement of young people in society? I answered something that i think can apply here with how to maintain hope; Let's surround ourselves with teams than we simply enjoy being with, and are therefore more likely those who can support us (not necessarily here but anywhere) and help put value on what we and others do (as well as helping us see a larger scope of our problems). Let's inform ourselves to reality (part of which is LIFE SUCKS) and one another as best as we can and be open to the fact that we don't know everything. Let's express ourselves when we feel like utter crap, and take ourselves not too seriously. We haven't always thought this way, hopeful or not, so let's not imagine we always will think this way. That way maybe we can take a little distance from how we feel and our issues...
This is partly what I think right now... but I don't know whether I always will think this way.
What do you think?
I don't know myself but I wanted to post some stuff here and would like to invite anyone with links or thoughts on hope to share all of that on this thread too. As far as I can see, we don't have much information here in the threads on hope.
I like the model that there are different types of hope which I found in this article...
Here's the description of the 4 types of hope:
(There's an image lower down within this with seems pretty clear for those who wish to avoid reading...)
Warning: Spoiler!
False Hope
There is controversy over the concept of “false hope”. If you hold out hope for something that is truly impossible, or so unlikely it is eventually impossible, you may be having false hope. Is this good or bad? To make the distinction, determine if your behavior is beneficial or not. As an example, deciding to spend your food money to play the lottery in the hope you will win is almost certainly destructive and regrettable. The chances of winning the lottery are vanishingly small, and the need for food is certain. Here a “false hope” leads to a destructive behavior and is harmful. Another example is the decision of a high school student to abandon academic studies to concentrate on playing professional sports or becoming a rock musician. The odds against success are astronomical, yet the loss is certain. This is almost certainly a bad bet. However, if you have been diagnosed with terminal cancer, hope can give you peace of mind, relieve stress, and provide you the positive outlook and motivation that can lead to helpful actions including eating well, getting the recommended exercise, taking medications as instructed, seeking out the best care for yourself, peace of mind, and spending time in meaningful ways.
Most “con games” are based on creating false hopes. This includes most forms of gambling, sweepstakes, get rich quick schemes, risky investments, quack cures, promised miracles, hoaxes, urban legends, mysticism, faith exploitations, and other scams. Many of these are manipulations that exploit distortions in our thinking or other vulnerabilities. Examine the evidence, consider a variety of viewpoints, calculate the odds rationally, and approach such claims with extreme skepticism.
Maintain hope when there is some possibility of a good outcome. Take constructive and responsible action to improve your chances. Do not abdicate your responsibility for caution, skepticism, and action by submitting to unfounded optimism. Hope is helpful when it results in positive action, it is unhelpful if it inhibits action. Plan for the worst as you anticipate the best.
Hope is tested when what if meets what is. Accurate assessment, sound judgment, constructive action, and personal responsibility mark the difference between real hope and false hope.
The Keynote Address at the 2004 democratic national convention was an inspiring speech given by Barack Obama on “The Audacity of Hope” He described many examples where the undaunted strength of people overcame tremendous obstacles to achieve great things. Perhaps there is no false hope, but only hope. He has recently written book The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.
In any case, strive for an accurate optimism.
The Stockdale Paradox
Admiral James StockdaleExternal Link was the highest ranking US military officer in the Hoa Loa prisoner-of-war camp during the Vietnam war. He was brutally tortured more than twenty times over the eight years he was imprisoned from 1965 to 1973. During that time he dedicated himself to helping the other soldiers survive the ordeal. Jim Collins, author of the book Good to Great, asked Stockdale how he endured, and who in the camp failed to endure. In answering he said: “This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you cannot afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever that may be.”
Jim Collins summarizes this wisdom as the “Stockdale Paradox”:
"Retain faith that you will prevail in the end, regardless of the difficulties
and at the same time
Confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they may be."
Hope and reality combine for a real hope.
Real Hope
Real hope combines a hopeful outlook with a firm grip on reality. This is the substance of commitment.
Each of us approaches a new problem, task, challenge, or opportunity with a particular outlook. This outlook can range from a very positive, hopeful spirit to a very negative, or hopeless stance. Many English language words describe this initial outlook. These words range from hopeful, high hopes, optimistic, open, positive, and favorable to skeptical, pessimistic, doubtful, and hopeless. This outlook is plotted on the vertical axis in the following diagram, ranging from hopeless at the bottom to hopeful at the top.
http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/images/realhope.gif
As we get more involved in meeting the challenge we learn more about the real problems facing us. Our grasp on reality begins to change. As more and more information becomes available, we become better informed and create a more accurate understanding and assessment of the situation. Our viewpoint evolves as we assimilate new information. Alternatively, we may choose to remain uninformed and ignorant, or deny, dismiss, or distort important information. This grasp of reality is plotted on the horizontal axis in the following diagram. It ranges from uninformed or distorted to informed and accurate.
Real Hope
The grid is divided into these four zones:
No Hope—Helpless—Give up now, don't even try, I already know there is nothing I can do to help. Why bother? I won't even waste my time trying; it is futile. This is the region of learned helplessness and the defeatist attitude. The outlook is doubtful and reality is unknown, distorted, denied, or dismissed. Cynics, naysayers, and other gloomy and disheartened people lurk here.
False Hope—Wishful—I have an unshakable faith that all will turn out well. I don't need to know anything more to know it will all turn out fine in the end. This is the heaven's reward fallacy based only on wishful thinking. The outlook is hopeful, but the reality is unknown, distorted, denied, or dismissed. This is often a dangerous position of inaction or ineffective action and little information. It believes hope is a strategy. Visionary dreamers along with Pollyanna's and the crackpots of la-la land are all here.
Lost Hope—Surrendered—The more I learn, the more hopeless this becomes. I cannot overcome the obstacles; further effort is futile. I am discouraged and choose not to go on. I'll save myself for another day. Life is too short to push on a rope. I'll admit defeat and move on to the next challenge, sadder but wiser. The outlook is doubtful, but the reality is accurate. Quitters share this space along with shrewd gamblers, entrepreneurs, and others who decided to retreat now so they can contribute another day.
Real Hope—Committed—I fully understand the difficulties I face and I know I can prevail in the end. I am encouraged and will never give up, despite the difficult challenges that lie ahead. The outlook is hopeful and the reality is accurate. The aspirations of what if meld with the harsh reality of what is to create an enduring result. Tenacious, courageous, persistent, and inspiring people are achieving results here.
We are encouraged when our outlook improves as we learn more about the situation. We are discouraged when our outlook becomes less hopeful as we learn more about the situation. We have dashed hopes when events take us from real hope to lost hope.
There is controversy over the concept of “false hope”. If you hold out hope for something that is truly impossible, or so unlikely it is eventually impossible, you may be having false hope. Is this good or bad? To make the distinction, determine if your behavior is beneficial or not. As an example, deciding to spend your food money to play the lottery in the hope you will win is almost certainly destructive and regrettable. The chances of winning the lottery are vanishingly small, and the need for food is certain. Here a “false hope” leads to a destructive behavior and is harmful. Another example is the decision of a high school student to abandon academic studies to concentrate on playing professional sports or becoming a rock musician. The odds against success are astronomical, yet the loss is certain. This is almost certainly a bad bet. However, if you have been diagnosed with terminal cancer, hope can give you peace of mind, relieve stress, and provide you the positive outlook and motivation that can lead to helpful actions including eating well, getting the recommended exercise, taking medications as instructed, seeking out the best care for yourself, peace of mind, and spending time in meaningful ways.
Most “con games” are based on creating false hopes. This includes most forms of gambling, sweepstakes, get rich quick schemes, risky investments, quack cures, promised miracles, hoaxes, urban legends, mysticism, faith exploitations, and other scams. Many of these are manipulations that exploit distortions in our thinking or other vulnerabilities. Examine the evidence, consider a variety of viewpoints, calculate the odds rationally, and approach such claims with extreme skepticism.
Maintain hope when there is some possibility of a good outcome. Take constructive and responsible action to improve your chances. Do not abdicate your responsibility for caution, skepticism, and action by submitting to unfounded optimism. Hope is helpful when it results in positive action, it is unhelpful if it inhibits action. Plan for the worst as you anticipate the best.
Hope is tested when what if meets what is. Accurate assessment, sound judgment, constructive action, and personal responsibility mark the difference between real hope and false hope.
The Keynote Address at the 2004 democratic national convention was an inspiring speech given by Barack Obama on “The Audacity of Hope” He described many examples where the undaunted strength of people overcame tremendous obstacles to achieve great things. Perhaps there is no false hope, but only hope. He has recently written book The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.
In any case, strive for an accurate optimism.
The Stockdale Paradox
Admiral James StockdaleExternal Link was the highest ranking US military officer in the Hoa Loa prisoner-of-war camp during the Vietnam war. He was brutally tortured more than twenty times over the eight years he was imprisoned from 1965 to 1973. During that time he dedicated himself to helping the other soldiers survive the ordeal. Jim Collins, author of the book Good to Great, asked Stockdale how he endured, and who in the camp failed to endure. In answering he said: “This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you cannot afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever that may be.”
Jim Collins summarizes this wisdom as the “Stockdale Paradox”:
"Retain faith that you will prevail in the end, regardless of the difficulties
and at the same time
Confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they may be."
Hope and reality combine for a real hope.
Real Hope
Real hope combines a hopeful outlook with a firm grip on reality. This is the substance of commitment.
Each of us approaches a new problem, task, challenge, or opportunity with a particular outlook. This outlook can range from a very positive, hopeful spirit to a very negative, or hopeless stance. Many English language words describe this initial outlook. These words range from hopeful, high hopes, optimistic, open, positive, and favorable to skeptical, pessimistic, doubtful, and hopeless. This outlook is plotted on the vertical axis in the following diagram, ranging from hopeless at the bottom to hopeful at the top.
http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/images/realhope.gif
As we get more involved in meeting the challenge we learn more about the real problems facing us. Our grasp on reality begins to change. As more and more information becomes available, we become better informed and create a more accurate understanding and assessment of the situation. Our viewpoint evolves as we assimilate new information. Alternatively, we may choose to remain uninformed and ignorant, or deny, dismiss, or distort important information. This grasp of reality is plotted on the horizontal axis in the following diagram. It ranges from uninformed or distorted to informed and accurate.
Real Hope
The grid is divided into these four zones:
No Hope—Helpless—Give up now, don't even try, I already know there is nothing I can do to help. Why bother? I won't even waste my time trying; it is futile. This is the region of learned helplessness and the defeatist attitude. The outlook is doubtful and reality is unknown, distorted, denied, or dismissed. Cynics, naysayers, and other gloomy and disheartened people lurk here.
False Hope—Wishful—I have an unshakable faith that all will turn out well. I don't need to know anything more to know it will all turn out fine in the end. This is the heaven's reward fallacy based only on wishful thinking. The outlook is hopeful, but the reality is unknown, distorted, denied, or dismissed. This is often a dangerous position of inaction or ineffective action and little information. It believes hope is a strategy. Visionary dreamers along with Pollyanna's and the crackpots of la-la land are all here.
Lost Hope—Surrendered—The more I learn, the more hopeless this becomes. I cannot overcome the obstacles; further effort is futile. I am discouraged and choose not to go on. I'll save myself for another day. Life is too short to push on a rope. I'll admit defeat and move on to the next challenge, sadder but wiser. The outlook is doubtful, but the reality is accurate. Quitters share this space along with shrewd gamblers, entrepreneurs, and others who decided to retreat now so they can contribute another day.
Real Hope—Committed—I fully understand the difficulties I face and I know I can prevail in the end. I am encouraged and will never give up, despite the difficult challenges that lie ahead. The outlook is hopeful and the reality is accurate. The aspirations of what if meld with the harsh reality of what is to create an enduring result. Tenacious, courageous, persistent, and inspiring people are achieving results here.
We are encouraged when our outlook improves as we learn more about the situation. We are discouraged when our outlook becomes less hopeful as we learn more about the situation. We have dashed hopes when events take us from real hope to lost hope.
And here's the complete article...
http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/hope.htm
I think that I personally go to and fro through all these stages and I find it useful that I can put words to distinguish between the different types.
There's also this idea that hope ISN'T a feeling but rather a "cognitive thinking approach"... and that this thinking process can be taught or developed! There's plenty more interesting bits and bobs around this, so for more on this idea and others enjoy watching Brene Brown in this talk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo4qXbz4G4
And then we can seperate hope for some aspects of our lives while in others we have none, false or lost hope. And sometimes I find that when I have no hope for one thing I may lose hope for other aspects of my life as well. I think however this works both ways... having real hope for one aspect of my life can also encourage me to be a realistic and positive in other areas. So perhaps if we wish to live full hearted and human lives we should focus on what we can be hopeful for.
This all reminds me of a study I helped with this morning where a question came up- how to favorise the positive engagement of young people in society? I answered something that i think can apply here with how to maintain hope; Let's surround ourselves with teams than we simply enjoy being with, and are therefore more likely those who can support us (not necessarily here but anywhere) and help put value on what we and others do (as well as helping us see a larger scope of our problems). Let's inform ourselves to reality (part of which is LIFE SUCKS) and one another as best as we can and be open to the fact that we don't know everything. Let's express ourselves when we feel like utter crap, and take ourselves not too seriously. We haven't always thought this way, hopeful or not, so let's not imagine we always will think this way. That way maybe we can take a little distance from how we feel and our issues...
This is partly what I think right now... but I don't know whether I always will think this way.
What do you think?
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09 Mar 2016 20:02 #232644
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I personally don't ascribe to the idea of "hope". Hope is an idea that builds on the belief that events are random. One "hopes" something might happen because they don't know whether it will happen or not, which reinforces the concept of doubt.
Life is not random. I would rather just believe.
Life is not random. I would rather just believe.
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09 Mar 2016 20:17 #232647
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I don't see a problem with a hopeful outlook. The problem becomes when you don't act or you have, as the article calls it, "false hope."
For instance, it is not bad for me to hope that I don't get in a car accident on my way home tonight. It would be bad, however, if I did nothing personally to see to it that I avoid an accident and relied solely on that hope to get me through. It would also be foolish of me to hope that when I get home there's a million dollars sitting in my apartment. That's just not going to happen, and to spend any amount of time thinking about it would be a waste of my time. Now, if I had just starred in a major box office hit movie it is more likely that that money would be on it's way, so hoping that it had arrived would not be as foolish.
For instance, it is not bad for me to hope that I don't get in a car accident on my way home tonight. It would be bad, however, if I did nothing personally to see to it that I avoid an accident and relied solely on that hope to get me through. It would also be foolish of me to hope that when I get home there's a million dollars sitting in my apartment. That's just not going to happen, and to spend any amount of time thinking about it would be a waste of my time. Now, if I had just starred in a major box office hit movie it is more likely that that money would be on it's way, so hoping that it had arrived would not be as foolish.
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09 Mar 2016 20:57 - 09 Mar 2016 21:10 #232654
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Hope, yet belief.
Love, yet delusion.
Fear, yet death.
Once made conditional it transforms IMO. When applied to something it probably becomes desire, and stops being hope because it becomes limited to conditions being met, which dissolves curiosity, evaporates potential and the visceral connection is lost and replaced with greed, which causes ones intention to stagnate and moves to other things to exert control and increase certainty to meet the demand created from the hope.
IMO hope is something like the merging of intention with curiosity (where control and certainty do not exist), and it's a feeling, not a stand alone thought.
No and lost hope are seemingly measures of the amount of it. Perhaps 'real hope' might better be called a belief, and a 'false hope' called a delusion... as I don't think what I call 'hope' is ever false, just not yet realized or understood. To do otherwise would just be beating oneself up. What measure are we other then our intention and curiosity. Things like success and failure are useful, but not the best to define ourselves IMO.
I've thought a lot about this over the last couple of years, and I stick by this position (for now!). It's right up there in my Jedi path with love and fear as practical conduit's to broader self awareness in the 'now'.
Love, yet delusion.
Fear, yet death.
Once made conditional it transforms IMO. When applied to something it probably becomes desire, and stops being hope because it becomes limited to conditions being met, which dissolves curiosity, evaporates potential and the visceral connection is lost and replaced with greed, which causes ones intention to stagnate and moves to other things to exert control and increase certainty to meet the demand created from the hope.
IMO hope is something like the merging of intention with curiosity (where control and certainty do not exist), and it's a feeling, not a stand alone thought.
No and lost hope are seemingly measures of the amount of it. Perhaps 'real hope' might better be called a belief, and a 'false hope' called a delusion... as I don't think what I call 'hope' is ever false, just not yet realized or understood. To do otherwise would just be beating oneself up. What measure are we other then our intention and curiosity. Things like success and failure are useful, but not the best to define ourselves IMO.
I've thought a lot about this over the last couple of years, and I stick by this position (for now!). It's right up there in my Jedi path with love and fear as practical conduit's to broader self awareness in the 'now'.
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10 Mar 2016 15:56 #232802
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Thanks for everyone's responses. It was interesting to get people's feedback.
I'd like to ask another couple of questions.
How is important is each of the different hopes? (If we go by the theory that there is none, lost, false and real hopes)
Why is it (whichever hope you wish to talk about) important? And why might it not be important?
Which can serve us and which cannot?
Can you *choose* to hope or not? (If it's a way of thinking as suggested in my previous post)
I'd like to ask another couple of questions.
How is important is each of the different hopes? (If we go by the theory that there is none, lost, false and real hopes)
Why is it (whichever hope you wish to talk about) important? And why might it not be important?
Which can serve us and which cannot?
Can you *choose* to hope or not? (If it's a way of thinking as suggested in my previous post)
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17 Mar 2016 12:53 #234150
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do not use hope ask the universe to help you.
last week my boss told me he was going to take my job away
and give my manager position to a young lady he has been seeing on the side
i would keep my pay and position but work on the factory floor.moving boxes
i been there 7 years doing the same job getting pay rises so i can not be bad at it .
i went home took holidays ask the universe to help me
took the problem and gave it to the universe letting go was hard
but i know it always give me what i need.
i emailed for new jobs got one in a week.with more pay.
when i get back to my old job i am going to love given that letter over to say thanks i do not need your job
just use the force and just let go
remember as long as it is for good and you do your part
it will always come to you.
last week my boss told me he was going to take my job away
and give my manager position to a young lady he has been seeing on the side
i would keep my pay and position but work on the factory floor.moving boxes
i been there 7 years doing the same job getting pay rises so i can not be bad at it .
i went home took holidays ask the universe to help me
took the problem and gave it to the universe letting go was hard
but i know it always give me what i need.
i emailed for new jobs got one in a week.with more pay.
when i get back to my old job i am going to love given that letter over to say thanks i do not need your job

just use the force and just let go
remember as long as it is for good and you do your part
it will always come to you.
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