How many Hopes exist? One idea: Real and False Hope. No Hope and Lost Hope.

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09 Mar 2016 18:08 - 09 Mar 2016 18:10 #232627 by
What is Hope?

I don't know myself but I wanted to post some stuff here and would like to invite anyone with links or thoughts on hope to share all of that on this thread too. As far as I can see, we don't have much information here in the threads on hope.

I like the model that there are different types of hope which I found in this article...

Here's the description of the 4 types of hope:
(There's an image lower down within this with seems pretty clear for those who wish to avoid reading...)

Warning: Spoiler!


And here's the complete article...

http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/hope.htm

I think that I personally go to and fro through all these stages and I find it useful that I can put words to distinguish between the different types.

There's also this idea that hope ISN'T a feeling but rather a "cognitive thinking approach"... and that this thinking process can be taught or developed! There's plenty more interesting bits and bobs around this, so for more on this idea and others enjoy watching Brene Brown in this talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo4qXbz4G4

And then we can seperate hope for some aspects of our lives while in others we have none, false or lost hope. And sometimes I find that when I have no hope for one thing I may lose hope for other aspects of my life as well. I think however this works both ways... having real hope for one aspect of my life can also encourage me to be a realistic and positive in other areas. So perhaps if we wish to live full hearted and human lives we should focus on what we can be hopeful for.

This all reminds me of a study I helped with this morning where a question came up- how to favorise the positive engagement of young people in society? I answered something that i think can apply here with how to maintain hope; Let's surround ourselves with teams than we simply enjoy being with, and are therefore more likely those who can support us (not necessarily here but anywhere) and help put value on what we and others do (as well as helping us see a larger scope of our problems). Let's inform ourselves to reality (part of which is LIFE SUCKS) and one another as best as we can and be open to the fact that we don't know everything. Let's express ourselves when we feel like utter crap, and take ourselves not too seriously. We haven't always thought this way, hopeful or not, so let's not imagine we always will think this way. That way maybe we can take a little distance from how we feel and our issues...

This is partly what I think right now... but I don't know whether I always will think this way.

What do you think?
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09 Mar 2016 20:02 #232644 by
I personally don't ascribe to the idea of "hope". Hope is an idea that builds on the belief that events are random. One "hopes" something might happen because they don't know whether it will happen or not, which reinforces the concept of doubt.

Life is not random. I would rather just believe.

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09 Mar 2016 20:17 #232647 by
I don't see a problem with a hopeful outlook. The problem becomes when you don't act or you have, as the article calls it, "false hope."

For instance, it is not bad for me to hope that I don't get in a car accident on my way home tonight. It would be bad, however, if I did nothing personally to see to it that I avoid an accident and relied solely on that hope to get me through. It would also be foolish of me to hope that when I get home there's a million dollars sitting in my apartment. That's just not going to happen, and to spend any amount of time thinking about it would be a waste of my time. Now, if I had just starred in a major box office hit movie it is more likely that that money would be on it's way, so hoping that it had arrived would not be as foolish.

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09 Mar 2016 20:57 - 09 Mar 2016 21:10 #232654 by Adder
Hope, yet belief.
Love, yet delusion.
Fear, yet death.

Once made conditional it transforms IMO. When applied to something it probably becomes desire, and stops being hope because it becomes limited to conditions being met, which dissolves curiosity, evaporates potential and the visceral connection is lost and replaced with greed, which causes ones intention to stagnate and moves to other things to exert control and increase certainty to meet the demand created from the hope.

IMO hope is something like the merging of intention with curiosity (where control and certainty do not exist), and it's a feeling, not a stand alone thought.

No and lost hope are seemingly measures of the amount of it. Perhaps 'real hope' might better be called a belief, and a 'false hope' called a delusion... as I don't think what I call 'hope' is ever false, just not yet realized or understood. To do otherwise would just be beating oneself up. What measure are we other then our intention and curiosity. Things like success and failure are useful, but not the best to define ourselves IMO.

I've thought a lot about this over the last couple of years, and I stick by this position (for now!). It's right up there in my Jedi path with love and fear as practical conduit's to broader self awareness in the 'now'.

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10 Mar 2016 15:56 #232802 by
Thanks for everyone's responses. It was interesting to get people's feedback.

I'd like to ask another couple of questions.

How is important is each of the different hopes? (If we go by the theory that there is none, lost, false and real hopes)

Why is it (whichever hope you wish to talk about) important? And why might it not be important?

Which can serve us and which cannot?

Can you *choose* to hope or not? (If it's a way of thinking as suggested in my previous post)

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17 Mar 2016 12:53 #234150 by
do not use hope ask the universe to help you.

last week my boss told me he was going to take my job away
and give my manager position to a young lady he has been seeing on the side
i would keep my pay and position but work on the factory floor.moving boxes

i been there 7 years doing the same job getting pay rises so i can not be bad at it .

i went home took holidays ask the universe to help me
took the problem and gave it to the universe letting go was hard
but i know it always give me what i need.
i emailed for new jobs got one in a week.with more pay.
when i get back to my old job i am going to love given that letter over to say thanks i do not need your job :)

just use the force and just let go
remember as long as it is for good and you do your part
it will always come to you.

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