Someone I know is into the dark side

It's something I thought of and I thought I should say it out loud. Because I am no longer afraid. And forgive me if it sounds unbelievable, but if I didn't think there was a sliver of truth in this, I wouldn't be writing this. This involves magic and if you don't believe in such power I do understand. I am telling everyone this because I felt it was important to share it and why I wanted to practice magic.

It involves my brother who has always been into magic and the occult. For a while I didn't believe him and what he said about magic until he had showed me how it worked. He had said he was tired of being moral as well wanting to explore new things. He had showed me how he got his old girlfriend back through a potion he created which sort of acted like an aphrodisiac to attract women but it made women become more lustful and he had said he wanted to use it to attract women. He would speak out a few words, in Sumerian and then use an apple and extract it's liquid to make sort of a sex potion out of it. He would wear it as a cologne and it would attract most women to him and if the woman drunk it, they would be overcome with lust.

He tried to introduce me to magic because we were brothers and he was a friend of mine that I trusted and he trusted me as well, as he was very secretive of his art. And I figured he was because the stuff he'd use magic for was rather unethical, whether he would use it to sleep with women or trick people out of money, as he practiced hypnotism as well. He practiced psychology as well, being ale to manipulate people more easily and I have seen him end up with some extra money such as when he bought something in a grocery store, the clerk would end up giving him change, plus a few extra dollars.

I was told that he had an interest in the occult because of my father who passed away a while ago. He told me my brother used to read magic books but some were not from the greatest sources and involved dark magic stuff. The more he read it, the more he suffered from hallucinations and nightmares, and had developed mental problems because of it. So my dad had taken him to an empty field to bury the book so my brother could be free from it.

I guess he went back to it because he wanted me to practice it. He also knew that I didn't have much luck with women and could promise me the power to find a woman. He said I'd be able to do things no other person could do, at least, any person who didn't know magic. But I knew this was not the way to do it. I found it unethical. He didn't care how magic worked, just so long as he got what he wanted from it and warned me not to tell anyone that he was a sorcerer and from my knowledge, sorcerers are usually magic users that use magic for selfish purposes. I know my brother has good in him but I think all of this magic corrupted his mind and he basically saw the world as a crappy place to live and so, uses magic to get what he wants, screws the rules and tries to justify it. He had told me he followed the path of fear and that he told me that if I did rituals with him I would see scary things but they would soon pass. He was rather vague about it.

I told him I'd give it some thought but in my heart I know I'd never do what he did. He told me that I should learn his magic and often said that his brand of magic was real while all the other brands were fake, probably telling me that so I'd be more likely to join him. I knew he was lying. I told him that it wasn't wise to mess with powers you don't understand it and karma has a role in it but he doesn't believe in karma. I don't know if he was religious but he did mention paying homages to Marduk and Innana, two Sumerian deities and in his notes he wrote a message to Asmodeus which is a demon of lust and anger in Jewish scriptures. and that he had dozens of books which involved baneful magic, necromatic spells and so forth and it honestly creeps me out. He even painted an inverted pentagram with red pain near his door. Why, I don't know but as time grew he became more mentally ill and prone to anger, probably from all the magic he was using. I don't think it's a coincidence that he''s mentally ill and happens to read these books. I think there's a connection to it because he wasn't mentally ill before until he started reading this stuff. He's also not the first I've encountered as I have known people who were in mental hospitals and just so happened to study the occult. Not every mentally ill person practice it, I know but it is strange that they showed no signs of being mentally ill until they started dabbling in this stuff.

This is why I started on the path of Druidry and tried to learn nature magic of my own, to protect myself in case he started acting up again. I wanted to protect myself and my family from him. If any could pray for luck and good health any are appreciated. I know it's difficult for some to believe, but I would not type this if I did not think it was real. Magic as well as psionics like telepathy and telekinesis are real. I know I can't offer positive proof but if I did display it people wouldn't believe me. Some magic can't even be recorded and need to be experienced to know that it's real.

It's just something I need to share and if any knew people like my brother any help would be appreciated.

From a perspective of almost thirty years studying the occult and the left hand path (including a good deal on Summerian lore), it is not the material in question which you have pointed at that should be to blame for the mental problems your brother may have encountered. It was there beforehand, it merely required an outlet to express itself. This is not intended as an insult, your brother sounds as if he is in need of psychiatric help.

Zenchi wrote: From a perspective of almost thirty years studying the occult and the left hand path (including a good deal on Summerian lore), it is not the material in question which you have pointed at that should be to blame for the mental problems your brother may have encountered. It was there beforehand, it merely required an outlet to express itself. This is not intended as an insult, your brother sounds as if he is in need of psychiatric help.

I understand but I believe it may take more than just psychiatric help. He'd have to have a good psychiatrist. He's been in a mental hospital before, which didn't help much. They kept him there for a few weeks, talked to him for a bit, gave him some medication and let him out. Which I think is why there's so many crazy people nowadays as many are let out with medicine and they stop taking it, and resume what they did before. I think he first studied that stuff out of desperation as he wanted money and women and also did it out of curiosity. Don't know if he even follows Sumerian paganism, but he mentioned those. There are others he mentioned that were from the Torah and even Egyptian mythology and mentioned Thelema so I guess he's eclectic. I don't know what book he first looked at that messed up his mind, but I don't think it's strange since he didn't have mental problems and all of a sudden he starts seeing things and suffering from nightmares after reading the book? He has done things he shouldn't have done and sometimes has a hard time remembering what he did as well. I had thought he had a split personality but something warped his mind and there is a reason for that. People don't become crazy for no reason.

He's going to need more than psychological help. Of course if he doesn't seek help, I will protect myself from him and all those like him who use magic for selfish purposes and take advantage of others. I personally don't care what he personally believes in, just so as he doesn't harm others.

And how strange as the way the way he approached to me sounded something like from the Star Wars movies. Much like with Palpatine trying to trick Anakin. He acted like that. Unsuspecting and had his own agenda.

A had to break ties with a friend because she chooses the path of black magic , her boyfriend left her 2 years ago for another girl , my friend started stalking him and had to appear before a public prosecuter and got a restraining order , this was a shock to me so i advised her to find a good psychiatrist who could help her through these issues. I thought it was going well for a while but then i found out she is spending all her money on fortune tellers and has found one that would put a spell on her ex in order to get him back. I confronted her with this , because , stalking is stalking even if you use spells or other forms of black magic. I advised her again to find a good psychiatrist , she send her dead grandmother to punish me ( lol) and although i was very pleased to sense a dead person beside me i told her to piss off anyway..nope not impressed , but the friendship is over.

Just saying if your brother is convinced he is not in need of a shrink there is not a lot you can do...and you have to fear nothing really ... just have to take distance from this by meditating and staying close to your own core, may the Force be with you

Thank you. I am still worried about him though because I want him to choose a less destructive path. I would sometimes find it weird that I would mention this problem to others even to pagan or magic forums and some would still say it's all fake or it's drugs or it's in his head. And these sayings would come from those that believe in magic so I don't get that.

I wish I didn't feel like I have to protect myself against my own brother.

Theweirdtophat wrote: Thank you. I am still worried about him though because I want him to choose a less destructive path. I would sometimes find it weird that I would mention this problem to others even to pagan or magic forums and some would still say it's all fake or it's drugs or it's in his head. And these sayings would come from those that believe in magic so I don't get that.

I wish I didn't feel like I have to protect myself against my own brother.

I think you might have a basic misunderstanding of what magic is. From the point of view of formally trained pagans and witches magic is not about defying the forces of nature. There is no supernatural aspect to it. Its about manifesting your will within the laws of nature and enacting change in others that start within yourself. If you are not willing to bend then you can never expect others to bend.

Keep in mind that you can also never affect any one else that does not allow it - meaning magic does not give you supernatural will over someone no matter whether its light or dark. There are amazing things one can do when working magic but its not about black cats and giving your soul to demons or making zombies. That is the stuff of movies.

You have nothing to fear from your brothers magic if you do not give in to fear and superstition. However if you are concerned about him or his mental state you should seriously consider getting him some professional help.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Theweirdtophat wrote: Thank you. I am still worried about him though because I want him to choose a less destructive path. I would sometimes find it weird that I would mention this problem to others even to pagan or magic forums and some would still say it's all fake or it's drugs or it's in his head. And these sayings would come from those that believe in magic so I don't get that.

I wish I didn't feel like I have to protect myself against my own brother.

I think you might have a basic misunderstanding what magic is. From the point of view of formally trained pagans and witches magic is not about defying the forces of nature. There is no supernatural aspect to it. Its about manifesting your will within the laws of nature and enacting change in others that start within yourself. If you are not willing to bend then you can never expect others to bend.

Keep in mind that you can also never affect any one else that does not allow it - meaning magic does not give you supernatural will over someone no matter whether its light or dark. There are amazing things one can do when working magic but its not about black cats and giving your soul to demons or making zombies. That is the stuff of movies.

You have nothing to fear from your brothers magic if you do not give in to fear and superstition. However if you are concerned about him or his mental state you should seriously consider getting him some professional help.

I know magic isn't the stuff in movies but there is real magic out there where you can commune with tree spirits, use words of power and so forth. It's not going to summon fire out of nowhere or destroy mountains or cause hurricanes, I know that. That's movie magic. But magic has been practiced for thousands of years, even the Sumerians did it.

I know what real magic is and I know it doesn't come from the movies because that's exaggerated or just flat out made up. There are techniques however that people can use on others. Not really mind control, but something to influence someone. And I don't think it's a coincidence that he read a book and just so happened to develop mental problems. I think there's a connection there. Using magic for good purposes is when you work with nature and develop a relationship, not try to bend everyone to your will. There's spells for that, but they come at a price because of bad karma. But he doesn't really believe in karma, so he keeps making the same mistake, thinking his deeds doesn't have anything to do with it. Either that or he doesn't care about the price as long as he gets what he wants.

Theweirdtophat wrote: Not really mind control, but something to influence someone. And I don't think it's a coincidence that he read a book and just so happened to develop mental problems. I think there's a connection there.

I would still say your speaking of things outside the realm of magic here. I would suggest further study into the concept of magic. Just friendly advice friend, take it for what its worth. Most importantly take care of yourself and your brother. fare thee well.

I understand. We have different ways of viewing magic and some people have other versions of it. Although I believe in magic, I don't believe it's supernatural but that it's natural and part of our world. Plants, minerals and words have magical properties. I also believe in psionics but that's something else.

I just wonder what to do, outside of protecting myself. I'd rather get him to understand that his path is a destructive one and it's hard to see a brother destroy himself and try to study magic in order to protect yourself from your own brother who you are trying to help.

the most important aspect needed for magic to work is belief on behalf of the user and the target...if either lacks in belief the magic won't work...

and remember the rule of 3's, whatever you put out comes back x3...if you put out ill will you will receive it threefold...the universe always balances itself out...