Jedi Believe, death penalty section

Ion Eldor wrote:
I get what you mean, but i can't agree. Everyone is capable of being rehabilitated.

You haven't met enough people from all walks of life yet.

i am going to back out of this discussion for a little while, but i want to leave with this:

a kid on campus tried to walk off with my phone today

i had left it in the bathroom when i walked out and he walked in - i realized i didnt have it on me but not before he shut the door

i waited for him, and he tried to walk past me when he came out but i could see the phone wasnt there and i stopped him - he had it zipped up in his pocket and when i called him out he stuttered about taking it to "go look ......" he didnt finish the sentence but i thought he was going to say "for the owner" lol
then he said he was taking it to lost and found

i was going to give him the benefit of the doubt but i saw that he left the earbuds in the bathroom (one of the speakers is broken)

so he was obviously lying

and i thought "i could f*** this kid up right here, just jump on him and choke him out or jack up his arm, or maybe climb on top of him and beat him up until he starts crying or something - and he #$@*@ 9 deserves it"

a part of me did feel that way

not even so much because it was MY phone, but because its a lousy thing to do to walk off with other peoples stuff

so maybe he did deserve an ass whoopin (maybe he didnt) but as quick as i had that thought,i also understood that even if he did, it wouldnt have been right of me to do it, because I am better than that, or at least, i aspire to a higher kind of being than to do such a thing, regardless of what he deserves

it would have demeaned me to beat him up, as a person and certainly as a jedi - it would cheapen me to be that kind of person, who punishes others with violence because "they deserve it"

and thats it, ive said more than enough here

MartaLina wrote:
In my opinion its never the question "What we do" but what " We should do"

Agreed, hence why I'm herein the first place. But one cannot ignore the reality of human nature, of history, by saying things like all humans are great. Or whatever it is you said. Its late. I'm sleepy . you probably get the drift.

Not all humans are great. Some only qualify as human due to physical definitions. By moral standards they are less empathetic than some animals, and unfit for human society. That's all I'm saying. Why waste time and money jailing them?

Because life is sacred

Desolous wrote:

MartaLina wrote:
In my opinion its never the question "What we do" but what " We should do"

Agreed, hence why I'm herein the first place. But one cannot ignore the reality of human nature, of history, by saying things like all humans are great. Or whatever it is you said. Its late. I'm sleepy . you probably get the drift.

Not all humans are great. Some only qualify as human due to physical definitions. By moral standards they are less empathetic than some animals, and unfit for human society. That's all I'm saying. Why waste time and money jailing them?

Ow i get what you mean now and i agree , history has shown us that we hardly ever live up to our self set standards

Desolous wrote: Not all humans are great. Some only qualify as human due to physical definitions. By moral standards they are less empathetic than some animals, and unfit for human society. That's all I'm saying. Why waste time and money jailing them?

Because we need not stoop to their level...

Ion Eldor wrote: I get what you mean, but i can't agree. Everyone is capable of being rehabilitated, whatever harsh may be the crime committed, there's light in every and the last of us, that's what means that all life is precious. You may be in darkness, but who's to say you can't be saved. You may need help, love, compassion, and yes, maybe that killer will never repent,but even if that's true, that doesn't mean we must not give our compassion. Not to change him, but to change ourselves.

You cannot save someone who does not want to be saved. It is one of the few things in the universe that is truly, completely impossible. The question isn't how we can save people, it's how we can motivate them to save themselves. The moment someone chooses to be a lost cause, they are irredeemable until they choose otherwise. At that point, we have a responsibility to deal with them in the manner they have chosen to exist.

steamboat28 wrote:

Ion Eldor wrote: I get what you mean, but i can't agree. Everyone is capable of being rehabilitated, whatever harsh may be the crime committed, there's light in every and the last of us, that's what means that all life is precious. You may be in darkness, but who's to say you can't be saved. You may need help, love, compassion, and yes, maybe that killer will never repent,but even if that's true, that doesn't mean we must not give our compassion. Not to change him, but to change ourselves.

You cannot save someone who does not want to be saved. It is one of the few things in the universe that is truly, completely impossible. The question isn't how we can save people, it's how we can motivate them to save themselves. The moment someone chooses to be a lost cause, they are irredeemable until they choose otherwise. At that point, we have a responsibility to deal with them in the manner they have chosen to exist.

Mm.. people like to have self-confidence, approval and Independence. If people get confidence, he or she can create motivation for the subject. confidence comes forth out of gratitude. If one can have gratitude, the rest will be a lot easier. :lol: I know that there are multiple ways to do something, people are more willingly to pick a easy opportunity, highest chance of succes.

~ Aqua

Edan wrote:

Desolous wrote: Not all humans are great. Some only qualify as human due to physical definitions. By moral standards they are less empathetic than some animals, and unfit for human society. That's all I'm saying. Why waste time and money jailing them?

Because we need not stoop to their level...

That is really what i was refering to as well , we should look at being better than them , even if that means wasting money , life is sacred indeed , and if we kill them , we are like them , murderers

MartaLina wrote: [
That is really what i was refering to as well , we should look at being better than them , even if that means wasting money , life is sacred indeed , and if we kill them , we are like them , murderers

State sanctioned 'murder' is rarely if ever called 'murder'. It has a different definition. 'War'. 'Military or police actions'. 'Execution'.

Soldiers, policemen, others, carry out orders. 'Murderers' kill without sanction of the state, for the thrill, for retribution, for whatever reason. They have lost some spark of the divine that mandates peace, makes us more than animals. I for one do not mourn them.