Is truth in the eye of the beholder or an attachment that does not exist?

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30 Dec 2015 22:13 #217555 by Eleven
All wonderful ideas thank you everyone for your time and input. I will say I like Rickie's thoughts to find truth within our selves. No, absolutes. I understand, as Jedi and our code that nothing is in Absolutes and I think that is a good thing. Modern religions are still fighting the same issues for over thousands of years because each one is fighting for what they believe is true...Tolerance anyone? But, I am in the belief that truth is found in the eye of the beholder. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am right. Honestly, I do see whether I am right or wrong matters.

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30 Dec 2015 22:42 #217558 by

Sven One wrote: But, I am in the belief that truth is found in the eye of the beholder. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am right. Honestly, I do see whether I am right or wrong matters.





Caring more about true or false is important to avoid misleading things. Limiting the truth to oneself as the beholder is a risky and dangerous game.

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31 Dec 2015 00:41 - 31 Dec 2015 00:43 #217570 by
I know Obi Wan Kenobi says "only a sith deals in absolutes" but I don't believe he meant there are no absolutes. After all if this is a value or principle which is regarded as universally valid, then it is by definition an absolute. Consider the two statements below.

1. There are absolutely no absolutes.
2. There absolutely are absolutes.

The first statement is an absolute and so falsifies itself while the second statement does not. Bottom line is there are absolutes in this world. As there are absolutes there is also fundamental truths and you won't find them looking only within. If you look only within for the truth all you will find is self deceit. Einstein is right. Look for what is.

When you view Obi Wan Kenobi's words as the reply to Anikin's statement "your either with me or against me" then it makes far more sense. Anikin's statement is self serving and is really a threat to gain full support from Obi Wan. The kind of self serving absolute a sith would DEAL in.
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31 Dec 2015 01:34 #217578 by

Sven One wrote: But, I am in the belief that truth is found in the eye of the beholder. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am right. Honestly, I do see whether I am right or wrong matters.


You Are your only judge. Live well and be happy. The hell with everyone else. :)

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31 Dec 2015 02:00 #217583 by Eleven
Everyone please don't misunderstand. I take my illustrations or beliefs based on films I don't. But you do have a point about it there are absolutes. Obviously just looking at are Jedi Code and the 12 21 maxims there are absolutes in our order as in how we describe what a Jedi is good however Ricky I'm not coming across saying if I'm happy the hell with everybody else that's not my point and in my opinion is being a Sith if there were ever one. That I don't agree with you on although I think there is a little dry humor and what you're saying

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31 Dec 2015 08:19 #217644 by
If someone has been taught all their lives that the color called green is actually called blue, and vice versa. What is the truth?

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31 Dec 2015 09:19 #217652 by
If someone has been taught all their lives that gravity doesn't exist what happens if they step off a cliff?

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31 Dec 2015 10:16 #217655 by Gisteron

SeventhSL wrote: If someone has been taught all their lives that gravity doesn't exist what happens if they step off a cliff?

That. Exactly. There is no amount of believing that battery acid is a delicious and healthy beverage that will actually protect anyone from its demonstrably toxic effects. Snake handling fundamentalist pastors have shown this rather clearly.
Yet, is something true only because it is demonstrable? Sure, if that is how we define what "true" means, it can be. But there is no grand law of the universe that commands us to define truth in this way and we can choose to define it any other way if we please, just as neither green nor blue are called by those labels in any other language, and the closest approximates are even then still referring to slightly different shades. Ultimately it all comes down to fundamental assumptions we are in no way obliged to make, like for instance a tentative dismissal of the problem of hard solipsism. In practical application it is irrelevant whether sulphuric acid is "truly" dangerous or potentially even fatal. It is enough to understand that within the confines of our shared reality, those who have tried drinking it are incidentally not the ones who have some guts... anymore.

Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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31 Dec 2015 11:32 #217668 by

although I think there is a little dry humor and what you're saying


Possibly :) ;)

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