Beepocalypse is a MYTH!!

well, according to these guys:

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/07/30/beepocalypse-myth-handbook-dissecting-claims-of-pollinator-collapse/

"Bee populations aren’t declining; they’re rising. According to statistics kept by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, honeybee populations in the United States, Canada and Europe have been stable or growing for the two decades neonics have been on the market.

Furthermore, the worldwide trajectory for bee colonies has been upward for over half a century. Honeybees are not on the verge of extinction or irreversible decline and the world will not face mass starvation. That’s just scare rhetoric."

and these guys:

http://www.science20.com/jon_entine/neonicotinoids_and_the_beepocalypse_that_never_was-156551

"....environmentalists often coalesce around an issue and then come up with a simple but sometimes simplistic narrative to anchor their advocacy.

We've seen that with natural gas from hydraulic fracturing (fracking), which is often blamed for massive groundwater pollution (the EPA has rejected that claim) and methane gas release (rejected by numerous independent researchers). The decades long decline in the global frog population is often blamed on atrazine, although the decline is mostly occurring where atrazine is not used, and recent study by the leading anti-atrazine crusader has now found that exposure to atrazine made zero difference in frog health.

Let's call it the environmental crisis narrative. Empirical evidence rarely stops memes from flooding the Internet, filling up environmental blogs and showing up in letters appealing for donations to support causes built around an impending ecological reckoning. Scare stories work.


This is certainly true in the debate over GMOs, and the emerging poster children for their alleged dangers: birds and bees, pollinators who will supposedly face devastation if the crop biotechnology revolution continues unabated."


Phortis Nespin recently shared this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU

(for those who cant see the link it is a ted talk on youtube called "Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada"

its just over 10 minutes and she doesnt just tell you what you already know - that "media has bias" - she actually reveals something much more significant


so what i would like to know is this: are the above articles of the kind of media manipulation she talks about in that video?

or was "beepocalypse" an example of hysteria and sensationalism?

I know that sometimes they will just flat out make up stuff or throw in half truths in order to scare. Almost like it's some sort of grand experimment, seeing which will make us afraid though.

Well, a cursory google will provide you with countless scholarly articles and scientific studies, in which a wide range of experts in the field (ho ho) provide evidence of the decline in bee numbers, the collapse of pollinator colonies, etc etc. It's not just "the media" who say pollinator colonies are in decline, it's the people whose job is to study these trends. One article from a questionable source , also in "the media", doesn't change my mind on this.

If we're going to be swayed by one article we find online, why not one of the many which pop up when you search (founder of the GLP, and writer for the apparently fraudulent media giants NBC, ABC and Forbes over the years) " John Entine Monsanto "?

However that doesn't mean hysteria and sensationalism weren't in evidence in the media response to this. Media outlets are in the business of getting viewers/readers/listeners. Of course they will be as sensationalist as they can in order to do so; happily those of us with access to the internet can peruse and validate the quality of information - and who's funding it - ourselves.

OB1Shinobi wrote: According to statistics kept by the U.S. Department of Agriculture

Um


See also http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572

tzb wrote:

Warning: Spoiler!

Well, a cursory google will provide you with countless scholarly articles and scientific studies, in which a wide range of experts in the field (ho ho) provide evidence of the decline in bee numbers, the collapse of pollinator colonies, etc etc. It's not just "the media" who say pollinator colonies are in decline, it's the people whose job is to study these trends. One article from a questionable source , also in "the media", doesn't change my mind on this.

If we're going to be swayed by one article we find online, why not one of the many which pop up when you search (founder of the GLP) " John Entine Monsanto "?

However that doesn't mean hysteria and sensationalism weren't in evidence in the media response to this. Media outlets are in the business of getting viewers/readers/listeners. Of course they will be as sensationalist as they can in order to do so; happily those of us with access to the internet can peruse and validate the quality of information - and who's funding it - ourselves.

OB1Shinobi wrote: According to statistics kept by the U.S. Department of Agriculture

Um

See also http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572

SO, how about this one?

It is not a myth, but, there is promising news... From my reading...

Check out the 'off the grid group' as I have a couple of links there, and one from the beekeeper lawyers and there AMA... group link: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/mytotjo/groups/viewgroup/29-off-the-grid

thread with graph: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Health-physical-fitness-and-wellbeing/111260-beepocalypse-is-over#199638

I'd be careful. Not everything's as it seems. The media has lied and been bias for eons and it wouldn't surprise me if the bee population wasn't actually shrinking. Pulling up some graph that says the bees are declining doesn't make it so. Who made the chart, how old is it. And of course follow the money.

I agree evidence suggests the decline has slowed and may be reversing, but I dispute the idea the decline shown in both sets of statistics was a myth.

Yabuturtle wrote: Who made the chart, how old is it.

If you're referring to mine, it says on the chart. Well within the "two decades" cited at the top.

Yabuturtle wrote: And of course follow the money.

I did:

tzb wrote: (founder of the GLP, and writer for the apparently fraudulent media giants NBC, ABC and Forbes over the years) " John Entine Monsanto "

The statistics come from the government, the refutal from "the media". Governments, like the boogeyman "The Media", are in the habit of lying. However I think it's a bit far fetched to suggest the entire global community of scientists and academics studying pollinators are.

I love nature and the Force, we have charts but we can only graph, we only some days to me seem like small scholars writing every word down of what the Force has to say and the best part of it is we still don't know what it means. Only a guess.
It beautiful what we can do with a little thought...charting! If it wasn't for power point and charts in don't think the American military xoukd survive.