Love, yet Wisdom

a67 wrote: :huh:
No one have something more to say ? :dry:

Not for me no, as wisdom and compassion tend to mean the same thing with how I look at things :pinch: so perhaps if pushed for something... maybe 'power' or 'resonance'.

Hi
It was a little joke I do.
To make Jedi meditate.
I still don't know where the tenets are represented. I understand that the creed it's a song/mantra and don't need to be represented or just the way of Light. As Love it's the path of light don't need representation.

I don't see where wisdom & compassion are the same. We can have wisdom without compassion.
But I don't think there compassion without wisdom.

com·pas·sion  (kəm-păsh′ən)
n.
Deep awareness of the suffering of another accompanied by the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/compassion

wis·dom  (wĭz′dəm)
n.
1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.
2. Common sense; good judgment: "It is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things" (Henry David Thoreau).
3. (...)
*a. The sum of learning through the ages; knowledge: "In those homely sayings was couched the collective wisdom of generations" (Maya Angelou).
b. Wise teachings of the ancient sages.
**4. A wise outlook, plan, or course of action.
5. Wisdom Bible Wisdom of Solomon.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wisdom

Power or Resonance it's not sound a little bit of Sith?

Thanks to share!
Lets continue this funny topic

i agree this is a cool topic

id like to throw some ideas and invite you to resonate with what makes sense to you and then just dont worry too much about the rest

also im not sure who wants to respond to what so i will start with compassion and mostly i will leave wisdom alone so others can play too

i understand that the dictionary says certain things and i respect the truths and especially the funcions of the definitions it provides

its been my experience that the more dictionaries one uses for any given word the more variations of meaning one encounters for that word

some words embody this more than others

i have decided that language is a living thing and that i can not only change words if i have to but even make new ones up

like fantabulous

if you consider the idea of karma then at a certain point it becomes clear that it is not actually the compassionate thing to RELIEVE people of their suffering

in fact its very self important and self centered
it says "im wise enough to save you from your own karma by helping you and relieving you of your suffering"
in some ways, attempting to relieve people of their suffering is the least compassionate thing to do

at best you protract it - you offer some way for them to ignore it or escape it or deny it but not to transcend it so in the long run you distract them from what they must do to grow

this is not to say we should just let everyone suffer

this is only one perspective

compassion is also like you say to see great pain - unbearable (?) pain, and want to help lessen it
and that is compassion

and in some cases i think it is the right thing to do

it is also rooted in seeing ourselves in the other person

a67 wrote: I don't see where wisdom & compassion are the same. We can have wisdom without compassion.

We have slightly different definitions for wisdom, which for me is an (appropriately accurate) action of compassion. I tend to use other words for the other contemporary uses of 'wisdom'... it's just a personal thing though

Adder wrote:

a67 wrote: I don't see where wisdom & compassion are the same. We can have wisdom without compassion.

We have slightly different definitions for wisdom, which for me is an (appropriately accurate) action of compassion. I tend to use other words for the other contemporary uses of 'wisdom'... it's just a personal thing though

:huh: well I used the definition of the dictionary. I only see there different kind of wisdom.
Like why you don't answer my question ? But ignore it telling me that wisdom & compassion are " Knowledge".

:laugh: yeah I want to put the "focus" that there is different kind of wisdom.
Sometimes no sorry often... People think they are wise enough to do whatever they want but the true it's that is not wisdom. It's vanity.
They think that they are the ones who should care for who can be save or not (islam) even to the ugly point to think they are gods....
It's only like a remind that there is karma like you said. So even if we have all the knowledge & wisdom don't forget the compassion because there is a karma somewhere in the Eternity of the Force.

OB1Shinobi wrote: i agree this is a cool topic

id like to throw some ideas and invite you to resonate with what makes sense to you and then just dont worry too much about the rest

also im not sure who wants to respond to what so i will start with compassion and mostly i will leave wisdom alone so others can play too

i understand that the dictionary says certain things and i respect the truths and espec ially the funcions of the definitions it provides

its been my experience that the more dictionaries one uses for any given word the more variations of meaning one encounters for that word

some words embody this more than others

i have decided that language is a living thing and that i can not only change words if i have to but even make new ones up

like fantabulous

if you consider the idea of karma then at a certain point it becomes clear that it is not actually the compassionate thing to RELIEVE people of their suffering

in fact its very self important and self centered
it says "im wise enough to save you from your own karma by helping you and relieving you of your suffering"
in some ways, attempting to relieve people of their suffering is the least compassionate thing to do

at best you protract it - you offer some way for them to ignore it or escape it or deny it but not to transcend it so in the long run you distract them from what they must do to grow

this is not to say we should just let everyone suffer

this is only one perspective

compassion is also like you say to see great pain - unbearable (?) pain, and want to help lessen it
and that is compassion

and in some cases i think it is the right thing to do

it is also rooted in seeing ourselves in the other person

a67 wrote: :laugh: yeah I want to put the "focus" that there is different kind of wisdom.
Sometimes no sorry often... People think they are wise enough to do whatever they want but the true it's that is not wisdom. It's vanity.
They think that they are the ones who should care for who can be save or not (islam) even to the ugly point to think they are gods....
It's only like a remind that there is karma like you said. So even if we have all the knowledge & wisdom don't forget the compassion because there is a karma somewhere in the Eternity of the Force.

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for wisdom, sometimes i think im the dullest tack in the box

like im the last one to get the FLASH of understanding of whats really going on when things or people put on a facade or an illusion

but such is life yes?

if you dont mind im very interested in your opinion on something because ive been enjoying the discussion very much

what role does fear play in selfishness, do you think?

someone once told me that being cowardly and being selfish were somehow connected but im not sure i understand it

like the way they were talking you can literally tell how much of a coward someone is by observing how completely selfish they are

do you think theirs any truth to that?
is there any relation?

also i forgot
just a couple things on definitions

i dont view pity and compassion as synonyms

and im confident that there are many kinds of knowledge which i would not consider wisdom

a67 wrote:

Adder wrote:

a67 wrote: I don't see where wisdom & compassion are the same. We can have wisdom without compassion.

We have slightly different definitions for wisdom, which for me is an (appropriately accurate) action of compassion. I tend to use other words for the other contemporary uses of 'wisdom'... it's just a personal thing though

:huh: well I used the definition of the dictionary. I only see there different kind of wisdom.
Like why you don't answer my question ? But ignore it telling me that wisdom & compassion are " Knowledge".

I loved dictionaries as a kid, but I view them as only a guide to popular usage, not a rulebook. Which question did you mean, the Sith one? In light of the above posts, you might not like my answer.... depends on your definition (of Sith)!!!

Well Adder
If we are to change the meanings of the words we are not going to understand each others in the world. :whistle:
And I think Sith are not all darth but more focus on passion but it's différent of Jedi. Or are they had.change of meaning?
I understand that we need guide to the pattern or a map to found the road to take for the goal we have. To get home..
And no worry for me I have a open mind. I am already on the road of light so I don't need ignorance.

For answer you Ob1, I will need to meditate on your inquiry such is not something I put my mind on. But I will back with some answer to your questions in some times. The only thing I can.show you is the connection between compassion and pity. When you have empathy and have compassion for someone sometimes you feel pity for ignorance they have then you can get the compassion to relieve them or Warn them. Before its too late.

I am not at home curently but I will meditate, advance on my journal and comeback to this topic.
Thanks for you share fellows :lol: