thank you bazooka joe

"Teach others to have courage even if you do not have it yourself

constantly tell the people that you love
that you belive in their power and that you belive in their vision

and then see if they do not begin to act as if they may have power

and is if they may have a worthy vision

and one day

someone with power and with vision may say to you
i belive in your power and i belive in your vision

and then you will have permission to belive it yourself"


bazooka joe

thank you bazooka joe

So in summary:

"Be a hypocrite.
Constantly tell people a thing irrespective of whether it is true, because being a hypocrite there is nothing wrong with lying. Also, have no regard to the consequences of what they may do when believing your lies.
See if they buy into your lies and act accordingly.
All that just so someday somebody who was deceived by people like yourself will come to you and lie to you in the same way, likewise ignoring the potential consequences.
And then you'll have an opportunity to buy into your own lies."

Thank you, Bazooka Joe. Your wisdom truly knows no equal.... :dry:

every statement that we make
everything that we say and do
supports a cause

Gisteron wrote: So in summary:

"Be a hypocrite.
Constantly tell people a thing irrespective of whether it is true, because being a hypocrite there is nothing wrong with lying. Also, have no regard to the consequences of what they may do when believing your lies.
See if they buy into your lies and act accordingly.
All that just so someday somebody who was deceived by people like yourself will come to you and lie to you in the same way, likewise ignoring the potential consequences.
And then you'll have an opportunity to buy into your own lies."

Thank you, Bazooka Joe. Your wisdom truly knows no equal.... :dry:

So in summary:

OB1Shinobi decided to look deeply into a gum wrapper and saw what he felt was a great positive.

Gisteron decided to look deeply into that same quote and find a negative.

Look deeply enough and you'll find a mirror for what you have inside.

Thank you both for the lesson.

This is actually a very powerful lesson I learned a long time ago.

People act like you treat them. Treat people like they are stupid and they will act stupid. Treat them like their smart and they will try to live up to your expectation.

If your view of the world is stronger than someone else's they will conform to you instead of the other way around. This works so well it's actually kind of scary.

Reacher wrote:

Gisteron wrote: So in summary:

"Be a hypocrite.
Constantly tell people a thing irrespective of whether it is true, because being a hypocrite there is nothing wrong with lying. Also, have no regard to the consequences of what they may do when believing your lies.
See if they buy into your lies and act accordingly.
All that just so someday somebody who was deceived by people like yourself will come to you and lie to you in the same way, likewise ignoring the potential consequences.
And then you'll have an opportunity to buy into your own lies."

Thank you, Bazooka Joe. Your wisdom truly knows no equal.... :dry:

So in summary:

OB1Shinobi decided to look deeply into a gum wrapper and saw what he felt was a great positive.

Gisteron decided to look deeply into that same quote and find a negative.

Look deeply enough and you'll find a mirror for what you have inside.

Thank you both for the lesson.

Gisteron wrote: So in summary:

"Be a hypocrite.
Constantly tell people a thing irrespective of whether it is true, because being a hypocrite there is nothing wrong with lying. Also, have no regard to the consequences of what they may do when believing your lies.
See if they buy into your lies and act accordingly.
All that just so someday somebody who was deceived by people like yourself will come to you and lie to you in the same way, likewise ignoring the potential consequences.
And then you'll have an opportunity to buy into your own lies."

Thank you, Bazooka Joe. Your wisdom truly knows no equal.... :dry:

Hi Gisteron

is it possible that hypocracy may sometime mature into the voice of experience?

if a cigarette smoker admonishes you not to smoke

as they cough
and light another

are they a hypocrite?

i was terrible at school

i never took my teachers seriously
because they did not impress me as people

and i took seriously
some people who were impressive
but very foolish

because i thought people were either good enough or not good enough
i learned a bunch of crap that i should never have wasted my time on
and ignored things of great value

now i understand that we can find a lesson of wisdom in a garbage can or a latrine
just as much as a church or a code

and that we can look at a church
and see garbage

or look at a code
and see a latrine

I do not strictly condemn hypocricy. A smoking person may be knowing enough about the process and its consequences to advice against it while still addicted to it. A coward, on the other hand, can at best say that to be like him has disadvantages. His promotion of courage in the place of cowardice would be largely unimpressive to me. Not all matters are equal in this regard and I am not convinced that it is fair to compare the coughing smoker or the wisened hich school dropout to anyone who lectures people on courage whilst lacking it himself. Still, hypocrite, by its definitions, still applies to both. It isn't exactly a nice trait to have and I try to point it out to others as much as to avoid embodying it myself. I respectfully beg to differ with a code that instead encourages it.

I would be a bad friend to lecture people on courage in things where I lack it myself. I would also be a bad friend telling people that they are good at what they do or that I believe they will succeed if I really don't think they will or should. We would, in my humble opinion, all be better off without friends who are less than perfectly genuine with us (which, admittedly, is a rather high standard) and with friends who mean what they say and say what they mean because they love us and genuinely wish the best for us regardless of what we think that is. To paraphrase Richard Feynman, the easiest person to fool is yourself. I for one propose that we are better off with friends who help us balance that out rather than reinforce it - and that to balance it out in our neighbors ourselves is, likewise, the right thing to do.

Reacher wrote: So in summary:

OB1Shinobi decided to look deeply into a gum wrapper and saw what he felt was a great positive.

Gisteron decided to look deeply into that same quote and find a negative.

Look deeply enough and you'll find a mirror for what you have inside.

Thank you both for the lesson.

Thank you, Reacher (and OB1Shinobi). I will never understand why some people choose to focus so intently on the negative in life when there is so much beauty and decency in the world.

It's easier to focus on the negative than the positive in any given situation. As you wrote, Reacher, our truths and realities mirror our individual perspectives. When we look for the bad, we find it - and each time we find it we reinforce the belief that there is more pain in the world than joy, and we are consequently more likely to find and attract more of the bad.

When we choose to focus on the positive, the negative stuff in our lives starts to lose its power and we become stronger and more resilient - not to mention happier and less fearful of loving, living, and giving. There is certainly a fair amount of suffering in our universe, but we can choose to deal with that in a way that doesn't multiply or intensify feelings of stress, anxiety, and doubt in ourselves and others.

"No one forces you to think in a particular way. It is totally up to you whether you think the world is a place of struggle and pain and danger, or a place of beauty and light and magic. Outside events do not rule how you feel, but the way you interpret them does." - Serge Kahili King

It is bad form to keep rapping after the mic has been dropped.

And dropped, it was.