Unquestioned belief

Only in the idea of belief. And for me personally (as im working through this myself) unshakable belief in the face of evidence to the contrary. Shutting my ears to new information in a way.

Obviously the belief is not "unshakable", whatever it is, if your making this thread and working through this.

Certainly this is not the first time something you have believed strongly in, perhaps not questioned yourself has been shaken right?

An example would be Santa Claus. I never believed in Santa Claus, but I know most kids do.

Was that not a belief shaken?

I know there has been people who have cried, not trusted there parents on much for some time after, etc

BTW, if you guys didnt know, Santa Claus isnt real *Spoiler*

Khaos wrote: BTW, if you guys didnt know, Santa Claus isnt real *Spoiler*

Neither is Darth Vader

Khaos wrote: BTW, if you guys didnt know, Santa Claus isnt real *Spoiler*

You mean as a person or as an idea?

Khaos wrote:

Only in the idea of belief. And for me personally (as im working through this myself) unshakable belief in the face of evidence to the contrary. Shutting my ears to new information in a way.

Obviously the belief is not "unshakable", whatever it is, if your making this thread and working through this.

Certainly this is not the first time something you have believed strongly in, perhaps not questioned yourself has been shaken right?

Sigh. Really?

Very well. Poor choice of words. Beliefs that APPEAR unshakable due to a refusal or inability on the part of the person holding them to examine that belief.

Better?

No.

I understood you fine the first time, even in regards to the restructured approach I would ask the same questions.

I suppose I was trying to get a but more personal, as you mentioned yourself, but offered it in an abstract way.

I was simply looking for clarification in that regard. I was talking to you, and not the article.

I suppose I am of the mind that even denial requires a certain amount of attention.

You have to deny something

Even to deny it, you examine it, and show how shaken up you are.

To walk out, shows they were so shaken they had to leave, and while denying outwardly to hear more, the mind no doubt was still turning, if even but to refute what they heard.

Examining it just to deny it.

It still gets through, it still shakes them, it just may not change them, or do so immediately, or ever.

Still, I dont think there are unshakable beliefs, or unquestioned ones,and given the reaction of the audience, it doesnt even appear so, and certainly not to the author.

I think some people are better at hiding it than others.

Khaos wrote: No.

I understood you fine the first time, even in regards to the restructured approach I would ask the same questions.

I suppose I was trying to get a but more personal, as you mentioned yourself, but offered it in an abstract way.

I was simply looking for clarification in that regard.

I suppose I am of the mind that even denial requires a certain amount of attention.

You have to deny something

Even to deny it, you examine it, and show how shaken up you are.

To walk out, shows they were so shaken they had to leave, and while denying outwardly to hear more, the mind no doubt was still turning, if even but to refute what they heard.

Examining it just to deny it.

It still gets through, it still shakes them, it just may not change them, or do so immediately, or ever.

All good points.

I wont offer any specifics, because really its none of your business, but.

There is a general disquiet when there is a belief system in a persons life, religious or otherwise (in my case its not) that is either no longer valid or in some way conflicts with a deeper value. It creates friction and conflict. And often patterns in circumstances. Our beliefs dictate our actions, and our perceptions.

I have a belief that I learned through experiences that Ive held on to and filtered all experiences that look similar through it. As most people do. Even though, when I stepped back and looked at it objectively, I realized that the current circumstances are actually nothing like the ones I had experienced. but I still respond to them as if they are. Holding onto the belief that these circumstances will become the same as others, and that my belief will be justified. Its reactive and fear based.

When I say, unshakable, I mean that despite logic and evidence, I've not yet found a way to let go of the belief.

And "unquestioned", I mean continuing to think that the things we believe are somehow external and true. Never exploring "why" we have that belief. Or building on it. Some people discover something that suits them and then never grow from there. Getting stuck in it and never evolving. Which is just as bad in my opinion.

Sometimes, opening a mind is a painful thing.

It is opened its just not pleasant, and in some people, the instinct is to recoil, not unlike fight or flight.

When I first started in the Dark communities I had just such an experience that made me leave for 6 months.

Khaos wrote: Sometimes, opening a mind is a painful thing.

It is opened its just not pleasant, and in some people, the instinct is to recoil, not unlike fight or flight.

Exactly. And that is precisely the point that I am at.