Brain versus the Mind

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07 May 2014 18:30 #146684 by Amaya
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I have been looking at the difference between the mind and the brain.

Brain:-
The physical organ that is the center of the nervous system. An organ contained within the skull. Composed of nerve cells and blood vessels, the brain has a definite shape. It can be affected with diseases and can be diagnosed. It has weight, can be seen, felt and measured.

Mind:-
The mind refers to your understanding of things and houses our conscience, our thoughts. The mind is not physical, has no form. A mental construction that houses who we think we are.. It can't be seen, or has no physical weight.

A lot of the websites say the brain and mind are one and can not be separated.. The mind though can seem to influence the brain.. if our thoughts / moods can cause physical problems and moods and thoughts are a product of our mind then it does. A different attitude can cause different reaction, different neurons to fire.
We identify the mind with ourselves and the brain as a physical function, a tool..
But that kinda leads to questions about the soul? The spark we contain that makes us uniquely us.. Is the mind our soul? The soul seems to be pure feelings.. not thoughts.. where the mind is chatter central LOL But the soul is not emotions.. Emotions can be seen as activity within the brain.. So all three are separate but work together, need each other?
The way I see it, the brain is useful, a control/vital part of the body and the mind takes the information gathered by the body and brain and makes sense of it.. sometimes not in the best way.. The mind is influenced by memories and emotions which have a physical impact on the brain and the body.. The soul is threaded through all parts, it's the energy and feelings that can be felt, it is the quietness of the mind. Not something you can hold up and measure...
For something that doesn't 'exist' it causes a lot of trouble.. LOL

I was wondering what people here saw as the difference between their brains and their mind's... Any thoughts will be appreciated..
Thanks :)

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07 May 2014 18:48 #146687 by
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Good explenation. Maybe we could say The mind inflects the brain and the brain controls the rest of the body? And why not see your actions as behalf of this control. Everyting starts with the mind. Healthy mind makes good actions?

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07 May 2014 19:22 - 07 May 2014 19:25 #146692 by Edan
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I think the mind and the brain are two parts of a more extensive system of the 'self'. Our minds and brains exist within our bodies, which react with the environment, with other people, all these things today influence what we are. Our mind is not just our conscious self but also the unconscious mental processes that we are not even aware about. Perhaps it should be the mind-brain-soul-external influence circle?

Is the mind our soul? The soul seems to be pure feelings.. not thoughts.. where the mind is chatter central LOL But the soul is not emotions.. Emotions can be seen as activity within the brain


We talk about 'gut instincts' and 'feeling from the heart' but really these are all to do with mental processes; in the 1600s 'melancholy' was said to come from the spleen. I would think we came to these terms through physical feeling created from the body's reaction to our emotional feelings. Perhaps the soul is just what is left when we pass our thoughts and feelings through the filter of what we consider to be 'our feelings' vs 'our body'.

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07 May 2014 21:06 - 07 May 2014 21:17 #146702 by Adder
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I basically agree with you Elizabeth, especially about the brain. I think it's a good distinction to make.

But.... for me that separate concept of mind does overlap with the concept of brain, in one area, to add a physical dimension to the mind; the neural activity (impulses & neurotransmitters).

Such as if someone was to say "I'm going to read your brain" it would imply all the physical systems involved in brain function, but if someone was going to say "I' going to read your mind" it would mean they were going to somehow read the activity of the brain which represents my awareness of my mind. Since this is made possible (to some extent) by analysis and interpretation of that electrical and chemical neural activity (compared to observed previous experience) I feel like I need to have that overlap/shared physical aspect between the concepts of a purely physical brain and non-physical mind. So I instead use the term 'conscious mind' to represent just the experiential aspect of the mind. Though its just my opinion an open to change!!

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07 May 2014 21:24 #146707 by Zenchi
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Not sure the emotional state originates from the soul, but I did find this and it appears pretty interesting...
http://wearechange.org/heartmath-part-1/

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07 May 2014 21:39 #146709 by
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I'm a nondualist, and I believe "mind" is the term we give to what a living brain feels like.

I feel it's a bit like the difference between our hand and someone else's hand - we conceive of one as an integrated instrument of our experience, and the other as an external object to be experienced, but it's a clear misconception around the differing immediacies of those experiences. Similarly a dead brain in a jar seems very different to a mind, but (crucially) I don't believe there is compelling evidence of a mind existing independently of a brain.

Excellent discussion here, thanks to all who've contributed so far!

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07 May 2014 21:45 #146712 by Adder
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Oh gee the soul is a hard one. I group soul with spirit; spirit being to the body as soul is to the mind. I use them only for interface/overlap into some unknown aspect. Whether that is metaphysical/supernatural or just the subconscious parts of the mind is something I do not get hung up on - its about the experience of it for me. In that regard I tend to use Vajrayanic Buddhist concepts of 'clear light' body to represent the spirit and soul.

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