Violence as a contagious disease?

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11 Oct 2013 09:32 #121286 by
http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_slutkin_let_s_treat_violence_like_a_contagious_disease.html

This is pretty interesting, the idea that you can treat violence as an epidemic..
It makes me wonder what else might be able to be treated as disease? Maybe it's not just violence you could use this theory for..
My only worry is that I think this theory can be used both for the people but also as a means to control the people and their minds. What do you think of that idea?
And where do you stand/where is your place in this? Do you go out on your way deliberately to influence people more towards your way of thinking? Or do you go on your own way, influencing without trying and without being deliberate about it? Not sure I fully make sense, let me know if not!

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11 Oct 2013 10:31 #121287 by ren
To call something a disease, you first have to assume that it's bad. But is it as bad as we say? Physical violence is everywhere. We kill plants and animals on a gigantic scale. Why is it that we consider physical abuse worse than psychological abuse? "You can break my body but you can not break my mind". It's worse to have your mind broken than your body. Yet people get away with manipulation all the time. You've even been manipulated into making it easier for them to manipulate you further: They didnt force the TV on you, you actually paid or it.

If psychological abuse is worse than physical violence, doesn't it mean that, if someone manipulates you and your countermeasures are a punch in their face, your are actually decreasing the abuse? (they cant manipulate you anymore, because you fight back, but you hurt them less than they hurt you...)


In terms of evolution, violence is very good. The fittest/smartest will always win, ensuring a high quality gene pool.

To call violence a disease seems misguided.

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11 Oct 2013 11:24 #121289 by Alexandre Orion
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11 Oct 2013 11:26 #121290 by
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It's all because of violent electronic games.

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11 Oct 2013 11:35 #121291 by Alexandre Orion
No, it is not because of violent vidéo games ... and any time we say : "it is because of xxxx", we're perpetuating it.

Man is a curious mixture of violence, compassion, terror and gentleness. We are violent because we are, tout simplement. It is even so that the most delicate of caring acts is 'violence' when it is a means to an end ...

Each of us live in a constant state of desire and fear, the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain -- and there is always someone to blame. That is neither to be accepted nor rejected. It just is.

The violence can cease only when everyone takes a sincere responsibility for every atrocity born in conflict, on an individual level or on the global.

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11 Oct 2013 11:52 #121292 by Wescli Wardest
Mob Mentality…

Herd mentality, or mob mentality, describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors, follow trends, and/or purchase items. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, superstition, home décor, etc. Social psychologists study the related topics of group intelligence, crowd wisdom, and decentralized decision making.


Argumentum ad numerum

Argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number) also known as Argumentum ad populum, in argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum for further explanation.


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11 Oct 2013 13:07 #121298 by
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Alexandre Orion wrote: No, it is not because of violent vidéo games ... and any time we say : "it is because of xxxx", we're perpetuating it.

Man is a curious mixture of violence, compassion, terror and gentleness. We are violent because we are, tout simplement. It is even so that the most delicate of caring acts is 'violence' when it is a means to an end ...

Each of us live in a constant state of desire and fear, the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain -- and there is always someone to blame. That is neither to be accepted nor rejected. It just is.

The violence can cease only when everyone takes a sincere responsibility for every atrocity born in conflict, on an individual level or on the global.


Sorry man, I'm not going to squuabble with you about this but games use is out over the top and distances folks from reality. Use or abuse?

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11 Oct 2013 14:14 #121299 by ren
I was playing duke nukem 3d when I was 10, and I'd shoot the babes so that more aliens would appear, so that I could shoot them too and get top score.


I am a wanted man now. I have the death sentence in 12 systems and everything.
All of this because I love killing pigcops and strippers. :silly:

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11 Oct 2013 14:27 #121300 by Alexandre Orion
LOL ... we don't have to squabble over anything. But if we did, would it be the fault of a video game ?

Just like the violences of the past 70 000 generations, only perhaps three or four have known what a video game is ...

Video games (though not only "video" - chess is rather attrition oriented too) have know success because we are violent. They themselves do not make us violent. They provide outlet for those characteristics that we have been programmed to by way of all of humanitude*. We find video games fun because it lets us give expression to tendencies we already have.

* term coined by geneticist Albert Jacquard

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11 Oct 2013 14:34 #121303 by Jestor
I havent looked at the TedTalk yet...

But I wanted to say that I have had about enough of that 'ren' fellow, not to mention that "Wescli" character!!!!






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