Jesus Christ "was invented"

Offended me?

No...

How?

I'd heard Part 1 of that film had been entirely debunked.

I would question how religion and myths could debunk such a thing.

Certainly not with hard facts...Obviously.

That said, it is fairly common knowledge that Christianity and its holidays are in direct conjunction to previous pagan celebrations, and rituals, which are far older, lending some credence to this video right off the bat.

In those earlier rituals the astrology and seasons also played a large role.

I didnt go quite as extensive as the video, but the little I do know does corroborate it.

Khaos wrote: Offended me?

No...

How?

I'd heard Part 1 of that film had been entirely debunked.

I would question how religion and myths could debunk such a thing.

Certainly not with hard facts...Obviously.

That said, it is fairly common knowledge that Christianity and its holidays are in direct conjunction to previous pagan celebrations, and rituals, which are far older, lending some credence to this video right off the bat.

I didn't mean religion and myths debunked the video. I meant history and science debunked them from what I heard. *Shrug* I could be totally wrong though. Like I said, I haven't done the research myself yet. Good points though. Still, most religions borrow to varying degrees from other religions.

Oh, and you're also right. I was overzealous when I used the word "entirely." More accurate would be mostly debunked. I remember the stated correlations between Jesus and earlier heroic figures being completely inaccurate. That part I did look up.

Jayden wrote: I am sorry if I offended you.

In the here and now I would say,

We are not ready for the truth.

Jayden
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/!\

I am sorry to say this video is true in many ways. If no one can refute it; in every way. Parental guidance is advised all the f******n' way.

Jayden
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/|\

I didn't mean religion and myths debunked the video. I meant history and science debunked them from what I heard. *Shrug* I could be totally wrong though. Like I said, I haven't done the research myself yet. Good points though. Still, most religions borrow to varying degrees from other religions.

Oh, and you're also right. I was overzealous when I used the word "entirely." More accurate would be mostly debunked. I remember the stated correlations between Jesus and earlier heroic figures being completely inaccurate. That part I did look up.

Personally, I look at religion as outdated software, sort of a download for standard morals, ethics, and ways of doing things etc.

Of course, you also download the viruses and malware, which lent to control, fear, and oppression, etc.

Im of the mind that people are scared to update, as it were.

As for the video, more or less, I think it is interesting how the practices, rituals, ceremonies, and astrology lines up.

Borrowing, stealing, or changing to assimilate lends credence to them being man made though.

Then there is the use of psychedelic drugs and there role.

To more primitive peoples, seeking altered states, which most did, and not just through use of drugs, but also fasting, meditation, and other methods, any "beings" you saw, or got ideas from, you would more than likely call "gods".

Mareeka wrote: Thank You Ren and Jayden . .

Ren, I can see clearly what you see in your response to Jayden and fully understand "fear" as basic human instinct and all that man has made to feel safe, but could you please expand on what you believe "eternal life through the Force" is saying to you.

thanks

I consider the Force to be a "living" system that doesn't die... (because the force is energy, and energy is for ever).

I can call myself "I" in two ways:
1- A specific "area" of the Force
2- My ego (what belongs to "I", what "I" think, a sense of separation from that which is not "I", etc)

The first "I", because it is "Force", never dies. It is immortal.
The second "I", the ego, does however die. Because I believe the ego to be the product of specific "complex chemical interaction" (and other things: 'existence precedes and commands essence'), and I know that these things come to an end, then I know that I (the ego) will die.

It's basically not a problem for me to die and my memories and thoughts, appearance are forever lost. Some other people (as seen in star wars itself) have a great desire to believe their life will not end and that death is merely a change from solid to some kind of ghostly vapour state

Khaos wrote:

I really needed a good laugh.

Next time, actually do some research instead of linking something worse than the history channel. As a guy who did a bit of myth and theo in Uni, here's a few things to think about before you link your next piece of BS.

1. Mithras was not born of a virgin. He came fully formed and spawned from a rock, lol.

2. Mithras did not die for anybody's sins, he killed a bull for the start of the next astrological calender

3. Mithras and Horus have no legitimate record or is it even canon mythology of being baptised at 12.

4. Nor did they have 12 followers, or a 12 set of anything.

Most of this information was from cults of Addas which was debunked in th 2nd to fourth century.

Nice going Khaos

An atheist friend of mine linked me this earlier this morning: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013/10/joseph-atwill-has-not-proven-that-jesus-was-made-up-by-the-romans/

sidvkili wrote:

Khaos wrote:

I really needed a good laugh.

Next time, actually do some research instead of linking something worse than the history channel. As a guy who did a bit of myth and theo in Uni, here's a few things to think about before you link your next piece of BS.

1. Mithras was not born of a virgin. He came fully formed and spawned from a rock, lol.

2. Mithras did not die for anybody's sins, he killed a bull for the start of the next astrological calender

3. Mithras and Horus have no legitimate record or is it even canon mythology of being baptised at 12.

4. Nor did they have 12 followers, or a 12 set of anything.

Most of this information was from cults of Addas which was debunked in th 2nd to fourth century.

Nice going Khaos

Is being wrong a crime?

Ive never claimed to know everything, and I wouldnt learn much new if I wasnt. In essence, posting this taught me something I didnt know, research done, the forum was used as the tool it was meant to be.

Thanks.

Lol, and on top of that, there is still a connection with the astrology, seasons, etc, in many of the mythologies and religions, in fact Christianity purposely overwrote a couple of pagan ones, so the entire thing isnt bunk. However I suppose if your only objective was to burn me in some way, I can so no real reason for the petty antagonism. Good for you, you get to be right on something and I was wrong.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

Ren Posted


I consider the Force to be a "living" system that doesn't die... (because the force is energy, and energy is for ever).

I can call myself "I" in two ways:
1- A specific "area" of the Force
2- My ego (what belongs to "I", what "I" think, a sense of separation from that which is not "I", etc)

The first "I", because it is "Force", never dies. It is immortal.
The second "I", the ego, does however die. Because I believe the ego to be the product of specific "complex chemical interaction" (and other things: 'existence precedes and commands essence'), and I know that these things come to an end, then I know that I (the ego) will die.

It's basically not a problem for me to die and my memories and thoughts, appearance are forever lost. Some other people (as seen in star wars itself) have a great desire to believe their life will not end and that death is merely a change from solid to some kind of ghostly vapour state

Mareeka response:

Thanks Ren

Totally with you on #2
By an "area" of the Force, do you mean "humans" as an area and the elements as an area, etc.?
Death is not a problem for me either.
Regarding ghostly vapors . . you mean like disembodied spirits, transcended masters, souls in-between reincarnations, etc.?


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