Actions speak louder than words

Similar to Brenna's night-time reflection. . . I have practiced looking at the day from both sides of the coin you might say.

1) taking an honest look at myself and what does not serve me
2) taking a look at what is (useful, helpful, joyous)

How does one release ego . . if one does not look at it?
How does one become free of dependency on others approval if one does not approve of oneself?

The specific questions for inquiry has changed over time based on changing definitions of what is valuable and was is valueless as well as how and where my purpose is focused.

Transformation is an inside experience.
The ways and means of "going within" have to start somewhere.

If there is a purpose for sharing and/or discussing any aspect of the nightly reflections with another person, it will reveal itself.

Over time, practices of this nature become more in the moment, more intuitive.

Brenna wrote:

Desolous wrote: brenna, yes. think of it as venture philanthropy . if i donate $100 to charity x and help in 4 people in the process, but i can donate $100 and have that amount matched by my company and also help more people, which one will i choose?

How does that translate when we are talking about simple "good deeds". Or are you talking about the pay it forward idea?

Ps: Im half asleep. Im not sure that makes sense. Looks like drivel even to me!

ermahgerd, such drivellll

but the concept can be applied to simple good deeds as well. heres another IRL des ex: i have some time off today, saturday, with my son. should we go to the animal shelter and pet kitties (approx number of kitties petted per hour (KPH) 20) or should we walk some of the smaller dogs outside in the park (approx number of dogs walked per hour (DPH) 5)? ceteris paribus, which one would you choose?

venture philanthropy doesnt have to be in terms of money, tho time itself does have a financial value. where will yours be most effectively applied?

Can we ever think of acting ethically without the metaphor of arithmetical value?

Is philanthropy a different quality of action than an ethical action because it is quantified?

Is ethical action a limited resource that has to be doled out?

By what standard of value does one quantify an action (and the effects or results of an action) that would not be arbitrary?

When does the motivation for acting ethically NOT have to “take into account” the result?

Should one forgo an ethical action if that action will not produce/result in the desired outcome?

Alan wrote: Can we ever think of acting ethically without the metaphor of arithmetical value?

Is philanthropy a different quality of action than an ethical action because it is quantified?

Is ethical action a limited resource that has to be doled out?

By what standard of value does one quantify an action (and the effects or results of an action) that would not be arbitrary?

When does the motivation for acting ethically NOT have to “take into account” the result?

Should one forgo an ethical action if that action will not produce/result in the desired outcome?

Nice, Alan ! Could I sit this exam too ... ?

Can we ever think of acting ethically without the metaphor of arithmetical value?

yes, this is just one method. it helps those like me to consider courses of action.

Is philanthropy a different quality of action than an ethical action because it is quantified?

why does the act of measuring its outcome change it? if its ethical its ethical.

Is ethical action a limited resource that has to be doled out?

no, but my time and money are. i must use them wisely.

By what standard of value does one quantify an action (and the effects or results of an action) that would not be arbitrary?

i am using time and money. most of the world uses these standards of value for most things. its only here and other places of high philosophy that like to pretend they are above it.

When does the motivation for acting ethically NOT have to “take into account” the result?

anytime. as stated above, its optional, only a useful tool.

Should one forgo an ethical action if that action will not produce/result in the desired outcome?

question too vague to answer. there is an entire world of undefined variables to set before the answer will be accurately answered.

Alan wrote: Can we ever think of acting ethically without the metaphor of arithmetical value?

Is philanthropy a different quality of action than an ethical action because it is quantified?

Is ethical action a limited resource that has to be doled out?

By what standard of value does one quantify an action (and the effects or results of an action) that would not be arbitrary?

When does the motivation for acting ethically NOT have to “take into account” the result?

Should one forgo an ethical action if that action will not produce/result in the desired outcome?

does the wind think about in which direction it will blow?

also: jedi teaching 10,12, 14 (point to spirit of actions)

AND

Tao te Ching #54 to the center

does the wind think about in which direction it will blow?

No.

However we can in fact consider our actions and there effects.

Unless your arguing for thoughtless behavior done on a whim, without regard for the consequences,I believe I missed your point.

I'm also not sure how a Jedi could help anyone without being able to think about his actions and the direction they will take. Or being able to call them good or bad.

In fact I would find that highly irresponsible and ignorant.

Sure you can argue any point made if you use a certain perception. And yes I'm very well aware that all arguments and points are perception ( savin' you the grace of your tendency to always argue the obvious).

For all I know the guy could've meant not questioning your nature.

For all I know the guy could've meant not questioning your nature.

Could have, and by that rationale, would not questioning be a humans nature?

Hence where the winds nature may not be to think about which direction it blows, a human would, and I daresay a Jedi should.

Khaos wrote: and I daresay a Jedi should.

haha, yet you were the one who pointed out that all it takes to be a Jedi is saying "I'm a Jedi".

So saying what a Jedi "should do" seems irrellevant.

I'm not denying you have a point. Just how can you make a critique if you're indecisive about a solid position?