Syria: US Involvement

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31 Aug 2013 13:53 - 31 Aug 2013 14:07 #116746 by
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theres a lot in the reddit thread that can be extrapolated to refer to the syria problem. the top comment is 'because china', which is a valid response. from your answer ren, we can deduce that if a group or nation is powerful enough that its weapons, troops, war material etc can serve as a deterrent, then they can reasonably expect 'peace...through superior firepower' (i own a tsirt that says that , along with a pic of an m41a1 pulse rifle, which fires 10 mm explosive tip caseless, standard light armor piercing rounds, with underslung pump action 30 mm grenade launcher, from the movie 'aliens').

and from the 'because china' comment, we can deduce that a group or country doesnt necessarily thave to even have its own military might, if it has a large enough ally.

the US is not contemplating this because we are 'knights in shining white armor riding in to rescue damsels in distress'. there are always more sinister (read as: realpolitik) geopolitical calculations that go into things like this, otherwise we would have started bombing nations like north korea a long time ago.

and this from an AP article recently:

'The Syrian government said administration claims were "flagrant lies" akin to faulty Bush administration assertions before the Iraq invasion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. A Foreign Ministry statement read on state TV said that "under the pretext of protecting the Syrian people, they are making a case for an aggression that will kill hundreds (if not thousands) of innocent Syrian civilians."

Residents of Damascus stocked up on food and other necessities in anticipation of strikes, with no evident sign of panic. One man, 42-year-old Talal Dowayih, said: "I am not afraid from the Western threats to Syria; they created the chemical issue as a pretext for intervention, and they are trying to hit Syria for the sake of Israel."'

we cannot disregard the very real possibility that this was a false flag attack by parties unknown (but most likely the rebels themselves) to draw the US into the war against the syrian government.

i remember the run up to the second gulf war. i thought it was well planned BS then, as it has proven to be years later. i wrote a number of grad school papers (though not a thesis) on failures within the bush administration mostly in relation to the iraq war, one in particular on colin powell's almost entirely fabricated presentation to the UN before the conflict. all got A's, even from a professor who noted that even as a republican, he couldn't disagree. and this whole syria scenario just...reeks...of past idiocies.

but then, i don't know...just trying to foment different viewpoints on this.
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31 Aug 2013 14:40 #116750 by ren
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War is stupid anyway. People will say it is sometimes inevitable, but that doesn't make it less stupid.

Stupid things for stupid reasons no matter what. That's the way to look at it.

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31 Aug 2013 19:20 - 31 Aug 2013 19:21 #116762 by Wescli Wardest
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-seek-approval-congress-taking-action-syria/story?id=20127274

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/31/president-obama-says-us-must-act-on-syria/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/world/europe/syria-civil-war

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/30/kerry-says-clear-evidence-chemical-weapons-used-in-syria-as-intelligence/




President Obama speech starts at 01:50

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31 Aug 2013 19:27 #116765 by Alethea Thompson
So if you want to try to get your voice heard- write your congress men/women.

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31 Aug 2013 19:49 #116771 by
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Alethea Thompson wrote: So if you want to try to get your voice heard- write your congress men/women.


Unless you also slip in a $1000 bill for their 're-election campaign', don't bother.

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31 Aug 2013 19:52 #116772 by ren
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British MPs voted against military intervention.

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31 Aug 2013 20:29 #116775 by Wescli Wardest

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Forces which could be used against Syria:

• Four US destroyers - USS Gravely, USS Ramage, USS Barry and USS Mahan - are in the eastern Mediterranean, equipped with cruise missiles. The missiles can also be fired from submarines, but the US Navy does not reveal their locations

• Airbases at Incirlik and Izmir in Turkey, and in Jordan, could be used to carry out strikes

• Two aircraft carriers - USS Nimitz and USS Harry S Truman are in the wider region

• French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is currently in Toulon in the western Mediterranean

• French Raffale and Mirage aircraft can also operate from Al-Dhahra airbase in the UAE

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31 Aug 2013 20:31 #116776 by steamboat28
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ren wrote: genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group"...there is no logic behind calling the massacre of one or two thousand people genocide, when doing the same to millions somehow doesnt count as genocide. Or even a war crime, even when 80% of the casualties are civilian.


It is genocide if all one or two thousand belonged to the same social, national, or ethnic group, and were targeted because of that affiliation.

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31 Aug 2013 20:37 #116778 by Alethea Thompson
Guess that depends on the rep and how you approach the issue. There is a reason I've voted for Marsha Blackburn over and over again. She's the only candidate I've voted for more than once in any office.

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31 Aug 2013 23:47 #116791 by ren
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steamboat28 wrote:

ren wrote: genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group"...there is no logic behind calling the massacre of one or two thousand people genocide, when doing the same to millions somehow doesnt count as genocide. Or even a war crime, even when 80% of the casualties are civilian.


It is genocide if all one or two thousand belonged to the same social, national, or ethnic group, and were targeted because of that affiliation.


It says "esepecially", not necessarily. the etymology mens to kill a race/people. You're not killing a "race" if you kill only a thousand out of a million.



Wescli, there also are french permanent bases in djibouti, including foreign legion. deployed forces in lebanon too.

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