Dark energy and Force.

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04 Jul 2013 17:04 #111622 by
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I just saw a documentary of Riddley Scott about George Lucas, "Prophets of Science Fiction".
In this movie, Michio Kaku, a physicist and theorist,draws a parallel between the dark energy and the Force. He'd noticed the definition of the Force by Ben Kenobi in "A new hope" was : It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.
That exactly fits with the dark energy ! Maybe George was even below the truth since it appears dark energy binds galaxIES and even the universe together.
I strongly recommend this documentary if you haven't seen it yet.

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04 Jul 2013 18:08 #111629 by
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That seems to be more looking at a situation and finding a connection. The Force never was intended to be 'dark energy' a parallel is simply being drawn between the two because their descriptions match.

The Force, as presented and intended by Lucas, is more closely related to the Eternal Tao, most especially in the original trilogy where its infrequent use added a sense of grandeur and mystery to it. It was beyond the normal realms of experience (even the fleet commanders scoffed at Vader) rather than something that was regularly understood by the scientific community let alone the populace at large...

I would also steer away from calling Lucas a 'prophet', because that just gives people the wrong impression (though I know that isn't what you meant yourself).

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04 Jul 2013 18:32 #111630 by Alexandre Orion
Tao Te Ching 1 :

The Tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name. The unnameable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things. Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations. Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness. Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

La voie qui peut être exprimée par la parole n'est pas la Voie éternelle ; le nom
qui peut être nommé n'est pas le Nom éternel.
(L'être) sans nom est l'origine du ciel et de la terre ; avec un nom, il est la mère
de toutes choses.
C'est pourquoi, lorsqu'on est constamment exempt de passions, on voit son essence
spirituelle ; lorsqu'on a constamment des passions, on le voit sous une forme
bornée.
Ces deux choses ont une même origine et reçoivent des noms diérents. On les
appelle toutes deux profondes. Elles sont profondes, doublement profondes.
C'est la porte de toutes les choses spirituelles.



Herein, I do not believe that 'prophet' is used in the biblical or coranic sense, but just in precognising something that is later theorised or discovered. This in much the same way as Jules Verne forescribed the submarine, nuclear (?) power and spaceflight. Michio Kaku is much more of a celebrated physicist (City College of New York) than a spiritual pilgrim ...

;)

Be a philosopher ; but, amidst all your philosophy, be still a man.
~ David Hume

Chaque homme a des devoirs envers l'homme en tant qu'homme.
~ Henri Bergson
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04 Jul 2013 23:30 #111643 by Adder
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When I was a kid all I had to do was pull something apart to work out how it operated, but these days the sizes are going through microscopic and heading towards nanoscale - might as well be magick!! Electricity and magnetism would seem like magickal/dark forces to most anyone a few hundred years ago, not to mention that miniturization of technology.

Dark energy and dark matter is just called that because they couldn't find it yet, so it will be interesting to see if science can discover some new latent natural powers. As long as they don't create a big blackhole in Switzerland or turn the Earth into a new star trying to find it. Otherwise the theories need to be redone if what we know is all we've actually got.

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05 Jul 2013 04:00 #111663 by Whyte Horse
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Michio Kaku is the bomb when it comes to getting people interested in physics.

Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
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07 Jul 2013 00:38 #111818 by
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Dark light we're always trying to define stuff when really it's all in our minds.

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07 Jul 2013 13:42 - 07 Jul 2013 13:47 #111852 by
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As if that somehow dismisses anything. Every creation man has ever brought into this world, good, bad, mundane, or monumental, mechanical, spiritual, biological, etc,etc started out in someones mind, there imagination.

We defined it, and brought it into the world.

Saying its all in our minds makes such things more powerful than you realize. To trivialize it shows more ignorance than wisdom.
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08 Jul 2013 01:24 #111885 by RyuJin
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"My dear boy of course this is all in your mind, but why should that mean that its any less real?" -albus dumbledore-

"What my mind can conceive, my body can achieve"

"What is real? Is it what you can see? What you can smell? What you can touch? If so then reality is nothing more than how your brain interprets chemical responses." -morpheus-

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08 Jul 2013 14:12 #111928 by
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Khaos wrote: As if that somehow dismisses anything. Every creation man has ever brought into this world, good, bad, mundane, or monumental, mechanical, spiritual, biological, etc,etc started out in someones mind, there imagination.

We defined it, and brought it into the world.

Saying its all in our minds makes such things more powerful than you realize. To trivialize it shows more ignorance than wisdom.


I haven't dismissed or trivialized anything.

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08 Jul 2013 16:20 #111934 by
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I was recently thinking the same thing, that dark matter and dark energy may well be the next source for understanding some phenemenon that as of yet are difficult to explain. The day may come when science can detect the presence of dark energy and dark matter.

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