Homosexuality is it unnatural?

I meant to imply that reproduction isn't defined solely by male/female dichotomy thus the a fore mentioned "natural" qualifier of "between a male and female" isn't valid.

The study I saw says homosexuality is natural. Here it is . Apparently the parents of homosexuals are more fit to survive and that's why homosexuality is passed through heterosexual reproduction.

Wescli Wardest wrote:

ren wrote: then again homosexuality could be caused by a hormonal problem to begin with.

Out of curiosity, why is it a hormonal "problem" amd not just a variation?

Rather we are accepting of others or not, our words (even when we don't mean them too) can sting.

Political correctness in others drives me closer to complete insanity everyday, don't expect to see any PC in me.

I think the term hormonal inconstancy is probably closer to being PC. What I am referring to not blindly following accepted norms and standards just because they are. Part of the discussions is to look at things from different perspectives…
And to consider how things might affect others. Which in itself is no small task and could drive one crazy!

I think language is important. Different words carry different connotations, and people form their ideas about a subject based on those connotations. While saying hormonal problem definitely would allow some people to jump on the word "problem" and view it as something to be fixed, hormonal variation doesn't carry that meaning. As far as "hormonal inconsistency" being more PC, it probably is. However, I think being PC goes too far most of the time. Is there really that much of a difference between "variation" and "inconsistency"? Neither of those words has a negative connotation. Some people just have too much time on their hands when they start picking at things like that.

Abhaya Budhil wrote: I think language is important. Different words carry different connotations, and people form their ideas about a subject based on those connotations. While saying hormonal problem definitely would allow some people to jump on the word "problem" and view it as something to be fixed, hormonal variation doesn't carry that meaning. As far as "hormonal inconsistency" being more PC, it probably is. However, I think being PC goes too far most of the time. Is there really that much of a difference between "variation" and "inconsistency"? Neither of those words has a negative connotation. Some people just have too much time on their hands when they start picking at things like that.

I think that it is important though.

The premise of any debate or conversation is rooted in the terminology used.

If we were to say that this is caused by a “problem” then it could be defined as a medical condition that we would need to find a way to fix. Then it would be up to those that “know best for us” to decide how it would best be fixed. IE: they could end up deciding that zapping a brain with electricity would “cure” someone of this. And it has happened before.

If we say that it is just a variation, then it would mean that society as a whole would need to adapt and accept a condition that is not so accepted currently. It would also have other ramifications that could translate to the legal fields. Like justifying Gay Marriages. Not that I think they need justification, but it could put it to a new precedent.

Whereas most of the conversations have been about certain aspects of the topic, we seemed to have failed in how we approach the core of the topic.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I do think the language is important. I think the distinction between problem and variation is important. I was merely saying that, while it is probably more PC to say inconsistency rather than variation, that is just ridiculous nitpicking. Either of those words should be just fine because neither has a negative connotation. Problem does have a negative connotation, so it is important to make the distinction between problem and variation.

It's already been said, but I agree that homosexuality is perfectly natural. If it's occurring throughout many different species then how could it be unnatural?

And although, our water system needs some cleaning up (too many people pushing drugs and too many people taking them) homosexuality definitely predates all of that.

Does it really matter? Homosexuality is apart of human existence; always has been, always will be. A debate over if it is natural or not is pointless. What should be focused on is the acceptance of all peaceful walks of life and if not acceptance than at the very least tolerance. The world would be a better place if we would stop getting hung up on who loves who, what gender we identify as, what is "morally" right and wrong in the bedroom. Let it be.