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Judas Iscariot
There is a strong element in the musical of preordination. According to the divine plan, Jesus must die and Judas condemns God for making him the instrument of the necessary death of Jesus.
Contemporary (20th century) interpretations make the relationship of Jesus and Judas closer than is indicated in the Gospel of Matthew. The discovery of the Gospel of Judas is recent and is not an influence on the composition of the musical. Of more influence was the theology of the sacred fool (see Harvey Cox).
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Whyte Horse wrote: Jesus was crucified because the Jews wanted it.
So it is the Jews fault is it? Funny thing, if my memory serves me right.. all of the Disciples were Jewish as were all of the original Christians.
Also if it serves me right.. it was the Romans who put him on the cross not the Jews.
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That being said, the Jews are not to blame, any more than Judas is, because Christ knew it was going to play out that way--had to play out that way--or his entire mission would be lost. It isn't fair to assign blame for things done according to a cosmic plan you know nothing about.
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I wasn't blaming anyone, just pointing out why he was given the death penalty by Pontius Pilate. The Roman courts kept decent records and the records show the Romans didn't want anything to do with Jesus but the Jews insisted he be crucified and they got their way.Rav Adam wrote:
Whyte Horse wrote: Jesus was crucified because the Jews wanted it.
So it is the Jews fault is it? Funny thing, if my memory serves me right.. all of the Disciples were Jewish as were all of the original Christians.
Also if it serves me right.. it was the Romans who put him on the cross not the Jews.
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Whyte Horse wrote:
I wasn't blaming anyone, just pointing out why he was given the death penalty by Pontius Pilate. The Roman courts kept decent records and the records show the Romans didn't want anything to do with Jesus but the Jews insisted he be crucified and they got their way.Rav Adam wrote:
Whyte Horse wrote: Jesus was crucified because the Jews wanted it.
So it is the Jews fault is it? Funny thing, if my memory serves me right.. all of the Disciples were Jewish as were all of the original Christians.
Also if it serves me right.. it was the Romans who put him on the cross not the Jews.
Really and outside of the NT where exactly are these Roman records that claim Pontius Pilate did it because the Jews forced them?
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There are no contemporary references to Jesus outside the Christian scriptures. There is perhaps one references to Pilate from Roman sources, none mention Jesus.
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Whyte Horse wrote: Jesus wasn't betrayed by Judas. Jesus was crucified because the Jews wanted it. They later blamed Judas and "lost" the book that showed Jesus told Judas to tell the Romans to come and get him.
We found the "lost" book...
the quotation marks should be placed around "found".
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