Voting to ban members

ren wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

lightscribe wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing

I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?

Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.

I challenge you to tell an inmate on death row that their sentence is like getting banned from Totjo.

A ban is permanent until the council overrules it.

Now when you say overrule, what process takes place for that to happen? An official vote?

Yes. The council can do or undo anything.

ren wrote: Yes. The council can do or undo anything.

but a vote is always required yes?

The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Knights-forum/122594-mortose?start=0#339366


“Replied by Br. John on topic Mortose
I don't know who removed the ban. Only three could do that. It's possible that the ban expired. If the account was banned with a time entered, at the end of that time it unbans without anyone doing anything. I don't remember who entered the ban or if there was a time set.”

IP - Jedi Essay 9: Letting Go of the Past

We teach that it is important for a Jedi to let go of the past and to not dwell on it. We need to remember that things gone by can no longer be changed.

What do you think this means?

How and where does this teaching tie into acceptance, acknowledgement and forgiveness?

Why do you think this might be important for a Jedi?

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/initiateprogramme/1883-im-finished

Tellahane wrote:

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?

Now that I’m aware of who this regards, I find myself disturbed. I assumed this was about general ban policy.

I now confront you. It’s been over 22 months. Care to let it go?

Tempest Nox wrote:

lightscribe wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Not judging at all just ... noticing

I obviously had some issues with this thread, as you can see above. However, I fail to see a problem with the current discourse. It's a debate about politics and morality. How is that different from many of the conversations going on in other areas of the forum?

Let’s look at banning like a jail sentence and permanent banning as the death penalty. Neither should be decided by “the people” as a whole but instead by a neutral body such as a jury, and carried out by those given authority in this area of the forum.

I don't we can make that metaphor and be (doctrine) against the death penalty. Food for thought.

Tellahane wrote:

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?

There was no council vote to ban mortose the last time, or at least no record of it. We (the council) have shown forgiveness to other members, and I do not understand why the (some) knights cannot show it to her.

Tempest Nox wrote:

Tellahane wrote:

ren wrote: The council only acts through a majority decision by councillors.

So was there a majority vote to unban someone recently or when they just appeared out of nowhere you just left it as was instead of enforcing the previous vote?

Now that I’m aware of who this regards, I find myself disturbed. I assumed this was about general ban policy.

I now confront you. It’s been over 22 months. Care to let it go?

Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

Zenchi wrote:
Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

No, I don't care to at all. The past is behind me.

Forgiveness I am a fan of. Forgetfulness, not so much. There are practical reasons to separate the two.

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:
Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

No, I don't care to at all. The past is behind me.

That's convenient, I wonder If the people you terrorized feel the same way...

Newer members should be informed as to why...

Zenchi wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:
Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

No, I don't care to at all. The past is behind me.

That's convenient, I wonder If the people you terrorized feel the same way...

Newer members should be informed as to why...

I disagree. I’d rather be interacted with based on who I am, not who I was.

Seriously! "Terrorized"? I wasn't aware I had such an impact on people here. I'm amused that people are actually that weak, honestly. I wonder how such people even survive offline. Perhaps they have double reinforced, lead lined safe spaces? Goodness. Grow up. Seriously!

If any of those "terrorized" people are "Jedi", I don't think the Sith have any reason to be concerned. How pathetic. Do such ones actually think they are capable of being heroes? Dream on.

I'm not going to apologize again either. I did, it's done. Move on. I'm aware of what I did and I don't care to repeat it. Let it go and stop expecting me to basically knock on doors here, announcing whatever you want me to say like some sex offender or something.

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:
Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

No, I don't care to at all. The past is behind me.

That's convenient, I wonder If the people you terrorized feel the same way...

Newer members should be informed as to why...

I disagree. I’d rather be interacted with based on who I am, not who I was.

Seriously! "Terrorized"? I wasn't aware I had such an impact on people here. I'm amused that people are actually that weak, honestly. I wonder how such people even survive offline. Perhaps they have double reinforced, lead lined safe spaces? Goodness. Grow up. Seriously!

If any of those "terrorized" people are "Jedi", I don't think the Sith have any reason to be concerned. How pathetic. Do such ones actually think they are capable of being heroes? Dream on.

I'm not going to apologize again either. I did, it's done. Move on. I'm aware of what I did and I don't care to repeat it. Let it go and stop expecting me to basically knock on doors here, announcing whatever you want me to say like some sex offender or something.

Something is right, lol. And no worries, I'm quite over it, (frankly your tactics never scared me) but thanks for the advice...

Just giving the newer members a heads up, it's also unjedi to sweep things under the rug, carry on...

Zenchi wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:

Tempest Nox wrote:

Zenchi wrote:
Care to explain in detail why you were banned that last time around, including everyone involved?

No, I don't care to at all. The past is behind me.

That's convenient, I wonder If the people you terrorized feel the same way...

Newer members should be informed as to why...

I disagree. I’d rather be interacted with based on who I am, not who I was.

Seriously! "Terrorized"? I wasn't aware I had such an impact on people here. I'm amused that people are actually that weak, honestly. I wonder how such people even survive offline. Perhaps they have double reinforced, lead lined safe spaces? Goodness. Grow up. Seriously!

If any of those "terrorized" people are "Jedi", I don't think the Sith have any reason to be concerned. How pathetic. Do such ones actually think they are capable of being heroes? Dream on.

I'm not going to apologize again either. I did, it's done. Move on. I'm aware of what I did and I don't care to repeat it. Let it go and stop expecting me to basically knock on doors here, announcing whatever you want me to say like some sex offender or something.

Something is right, lol. And no worries, I'm quite over it, (frankly your tactics never scared me) but thanks for the advice...

Just giving the newer members a heads up, it's also unjedi to sweep things under the rug, carry on...

Will you also warn new members about your past zenchi?, or will you unjedily sweep it under the carpet?

Zenchi wrote:
Something is right, lol. And no worries, I'm quite over it, (frankly your tactics never scared me) but thanks for the advice...

Just giving the newer members a heads up, it's also unjedi to sweep things under the rug, carry on...

Giving newer members a “heads up”? For what exactly? It doesn’t sound like you’re “over it” either. Don’t kid yourself.

There was, in fact, a vote. One that determined permanent ban. Based upon the input of those apprentice and above, determined by those knights and above, and put into effect by the council and the knights advisors.

Forgiveness is one thing. You can forgive someone who has wronged you and never let them back in your life.

But what you're doing is completely ignoring, at the expense of those who were affected before... No. That's not forgiveness. That's deliberately stuffing your head in the sand.

That reeks of someone outside an abusive relationship telling the abused to let the abuser back into their lives. And shame on you for doing so.

But I'm not at all surprised either. Not after what I've seen for the last few years.

Avalon wrote: There was, in fact, a vote. One that determined permanent ban. Based upon the input of those apprentice and above, determined by those knights and above, and put into effect by the council and the knights advisors.

Forgiveness is one thing. You can forgive someone who has wronged you and never let them back in your life.

But what you're doing is completely ignoring, at the expense of those who were affected before... No. That's not forgiveness. That's deliberately stuffing your head in the sand.

That reeks of someone outside an abusive relationship telling the abused to let the abuser back into their lives. And shame on you for doing so.

But I'm not at all surprised either. Not after what I've seen for the last few years.

Yeah, I’m totally the same as an abusive spouse... and what happened is TOTALLY the same thing as domestic abuse. *Sarcasm* Get over yourself!

I’m not sure where you got your understanding of forgiveness but it’s not an understanding I’m familiar with. Last I checked, to forgive someone means to let their past go. It means to give them a fresh start, not constantly judge them for previous wrongs.

Frankly, I find your understanding of forgiveness to be downright repulsive.