don't the let sith invade us

PatrickB wrote: You see jedi knight identifies them self as protector of the peace.And the sith to killer of the war they are warrior do you see that distinction adder

I read what you wrote, but disagree with your interpretation, as outlined in my previous post but also because protector/guardian denotes the external interaction whilst warrior can safely and easily describe the internal focus ie; inner warrior. To your position though, I'd argue that the dark side enables that which it so dramatically represented in the fiction, but does not necessitate it. Therefore the practise becomes perhaps risky, but not inherently evil. The individual is responsible for their actions, society has no place for that fictional antagonism and this is not a role playing site/community. So as others have said it seems more accurate to judge the individual, and I'd be careful about using blanket labels to focus negative emotions, as that is a type of dark empowerment in itself (imo).

I Have read that a jedi rouge is consider as a stih inquisitor is that true for you . and night is there to rest your body and the crop refresh them self and sand is the essential of the earth heat for instance there the dark who mean criminal and the temp to be obscure of the force i don't consider night or black colour obscure of the force. May the light side of the force be with you always i like to have a commentary on this, can you give me the insights on a jedi rouge or fallen .
Ryujin

It seems that you are still going more on the fiction than the reality. First of all, you can't always believe what you see online. You can find a site for Sith that may be more grounded in the fictional aspects. They may be role players who don't admit to role playing and do it subtly. And then you may come across those who are merely joking around...trolling if you will.

To be a Sith does not mean you are focused on evil...on crime...on destruction...whatever else there is. This is the fictional interpretation of the Sith. However, just like in the Jedi community, you will find those who take things a bit too far. And this is why you can't judge the Sith as a whole. There are people who look at us Jedi and see a bunch of nerds wielding plastic lightsabers and wearing robes all the time. What you're doing to the Sith is what "outsiders" do to the Jedi community. Make accusations...stereotype.

Now, a lot of Jedi I have met do not use the different Jedi and Sith labels (protector, healer, warrior, inquisitor, etc etc) mostly because those are labels for the fictional aspects of the two groups. Some Jedi and Sith will use these labels to better define what their intentions are, but most won't go walking around saying "I'm a Jedi protector" or "I'm a Sith inquisitor" or what have you. As I said, it's because these labels are more for the fictional aspects.

Much like the labels listed above, you will also see things like "light jedi", "grey jedi", "dark jedi" and so on. Once again, these are used more for showing people the path you follow, and not really as labels like in fiction. You will also find that with these labels come different interpretations as to what each one means. That's the great thing about Jediism and Sithism...there is no set definition for anything. You make of it what you want. You get to define yourself. You can throw a label out there to help people figure out who you are, but most know that it's just a tool, and not an actual label. That's how I see it, at least. I've been here for 6 months now, and I have yet to use any of these labels (at least not to my knowledge) because I don't want to people to make judgement based off of the fictional aspects of those labels.

Now, I will be honest and tell you that my reply is coming off of most other people's replies, because most of the time I really can't understand a thing you're saying, lol. I'm not picking on you or being mean, because I know this isn't your first language and that you are learning, i'm just letting you know where my reply is coming from. So if I ever hit on something you that didn't really say, I apologize in advance I've never been good when it comes to understanding broken English...which is terrible because that's all I hear at my job (that's what you get for living near the border of Mexico, lol).

when i say rogue, i mean it in the generic sense of the word...i'm not a bad or evil person, but not everything i do is considered good/legal etc...i will do whatever is needed, even if it means breaking a rule or two as long as its outcome and intention is for a good cause...i will not do something for greedy or selfish reasons, unless it benefits others as well...i walk the line between, if i have to break a few eggs so be it....but i also have my own lines that i will not cross....i have no problem accepting the consequences for my actions good or bad....humans are too complex to pigeon hole into simply light or dark...there is a very large grey area that most people live in....

When I say Rogue I'm talking about D&D or WoW.

I have seen class-based titles here though. Can anyone PM me the significance as far as the Realist Order goes?

PatrickB wrote: I hi williamkeade I am composing in English all right and i am not arguing with anybody and it's true my education is french speaking and i practice two languages how smart is that.

Well... in Europe, isn't bilingual speaking pretty much par for the course? So the only trick then is to become fluent enough to pass for a native English speaker.

Williamkaede wrote: English is regarded as the hardest language in the world to learn isn't it?

I heard that was Icelandic.

English is up there, though. We've got too many linguistic rules and exceptions and junk.

Hadi Apollos wrote: To be a Sith does not mean you are focused on evil...on crime...on destruction...whatever else there is. This is the fictional interpretation of the Sith.

I dunno, I'd say the Sith are more Lawful Evil. They don't really go for the crime stuff. They're more interested in rewriting the laws, THEN doing the bad stuff.

I'm more Chaotic Good, aren't I so damn original.

Chaotic Good

Superb expression....

I hope it's ironic

Williamkaede wrote: When I say Rogue I'm talking about D&D or WoW.

So you do it from behind then?

So you guys in the light side of the force do you think that the significance of the word WAR is dark side and obscure , anybody ?!!.

From my point of view it is , And when there is darkness there no and none what so ever light side of the force , especial for me Patrcik and that is my real name i don't hide under.

Every person is right in his or her own eyes. Some say homosexuality is an evil choice, others say it's genetic, yet others see it as a union in love. Some say abortion is murder, others say it's not a living being. Americans see terrorists as evil, yet those terrorists see Americans as evil. Is it also not strange that wherever you see religion you will always find evil in various forms depending on whether you ask a Catholic, a Baptist a Christian Fundamentalist, a Muslim... or a Jedi. Evil seems to be half of a perfect circle. No one seems to be able to live with pleasure without pain. It's like Newton said, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." What ever would all these people or institutions do without there being evil?

Now to Patrick since that is your real name, you infer to Sith as being evil. That must include myself since I too refer to myself as being Sith. Strange but I wonder what the people whose lives I`ve saved over the past 13 years or the 138 people whose welfare they place in my hans in day in and day out? Stranger still I haven`t in all the years I have lived not only not killed one single person but also I have not killed any animal. But like you say Sith are evil so you are probably right!

In light of all this discussion it does seem that War is far more reaching than the clear cut soldier with a gun in his hand!

The difference between us calling terrorists evil and them calling us evil is a matter of action.

The difference between that parallel and Patrick calling Sith evil is one of ignorance on the subject matter.

War, war is sometimes a necessity. And then you have pointless war. The difference between them is a matter of motive. War between tribes to obtain land is pointless war. War to gain freedom from an oppressor is righteous. War over a woman (Helen of Troy) is a pointless endeavor. War to eliminate a fascist leader (Sadam Hussein) is righteous endeavor.

Of course this is merely my opinion. Others are free to judge as they will upon it.

War to eliminate a fascist leader (Sadam Hussein) is righteous endeavor.

Funny you say that, I just read on BBC news there was a call to have Bush and Blair tried for war crimes (At the hague)... Need I say the majority of commenters agreed. What is righteous is defined by the majority (at least in a democracy), and it would seem the majority (in the UK at least) disagree with you.

the sith arent evil and i learned that...we have different points of view and the sith believe that their way of life is good, just like the jedi...no one is wrong...well they could be but not to them. we cant just judge people like the sith to be evil before we know them and anyway we are all god and evil, its a point of view, good and evil. its what balances the world... without harm, sadness, hatred the world would be CRAZY and i for one wouldnt like to live here if it was...
all the nice people saying 'you first'
'no you first'
and never getting anywhere
and also when was the last time you saw on the new
' SITH INVADE BRITAIN'or
' THE WHITE HOUSE WAS BLOWN UP BY SITH'
or even '9/11, work of terrorists or the sith?'
so i think the title of this topic is wrong and should be renamed to something better than this
not to cause offence or anything
thats my opinion

There is a reason I said endeavor rather than war. Very big difference.

I am going more in the light side more and more everyday.You see in the light side the force the jedi protect peace and it's not call war.And the war is not necessary it's better to unharmed people and prevent the sith of doing of the war.And by the way I make the difference between someone who invest there time with other that protect peace and justice and don't identify them self as offender of the peace in society which is in fact part now of histories of the jedi against the sith!?!:woohoo:

Which this site of temple of the jedi order been inspired from a real movie. Long live movies ha ha ha !!
And what's fictional anyways
Later man.

PatrickB wrote: I am going more in the light side more and more everyday.You see in the light side the force the jedi protect peace and it's not call war.And the war is not necessary it's better to unharmed people and prevent the sith of doing of the war.

...........I would like to request that you actually sit down with a group of Sith and actually talk to them. Your views are so twisted about who and what they are. I'm not a Sith and even I find myself getting offended about how you view them. Well, offended may actually be too strong of a word, just can't get my brain working right tonight to find the right words, lol.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, just trying to educate. Just from the things that i've seen posted in these forums by those who are Sith, I can tell you that your views on who they are don't match up with who they really are. And it's not fair to them to be judged the way they are. Take the time to really talk to them, to get to know them and who they really are...what they really stand for.

And I say "them" and "group" because much like in the Jedi order, the Sith order has it's varying opinion of who they are and what it means to be Sith. Learning is part of being a Jedi. We do not pass judgement or make accusations...and we especially don't do this if we haven't taken the time to truly learn about those who we are judging and passing accusations towards. So I ask you to open your mind and to take the time to learn about these people. If you truly believe the Sith are out enemy, then remember a great quote, "know your enemy."

I personally believe that to not take the time to truly learn who they are, is part of ignorance. And as the code states:
"There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge."

And the Creed:
"I shall never seek so much...to be understood, as to understand."

I could also start quoting from the "Jedi Believe" section, but then I really would be here all night typing, lol.

I hope that this time, my point will come across. Basically, stop judging them by what you think they are, and start learning who they REALLY are.

May the force be with you, my friend!

I have just finished reading through this topic and in all honesty I think this topic has run it's due course

I don't know what else there is that can be done to explain how real sith actually behave other than maybe a live demonstration (provided they don't murder the camera operator :woohoo:)

I am however deeply troubled by such sweeping generalisations of people because of a name they have chosen

But then again we are all just role-playing nerds with too much time on our hands and run around with plastic lightsabers fighting evil forces and tricking people into ignoring our cool droids; so what the hell would we know anyway?

now now now i believe that i have the right to my point of view And i am not ignorant , the sith hides there language and truth me a i haven't sat don't with the sith because there are usually standing in there hunt of people i am just kidding of course .Now in canada we have a right to judge a situation when we need to and believe me it my rightful right if you know what i mean , ignorant create no knowledge the ignorance create no sensation .

And by the way i think my English is getting better is it.It's by practicing the identification that you know what to judge .And believe it is the natural law of the jungle .

where there is knowledge there is patience
more there knowledge more you learn fast .