The Force powers as we know them

Well mr steam then go teach your "SECRET" society stuff and be well!

Last I checked it was $1400 bucks for all classes. Well it seems you have got a bargain.

In some Christian traditions, you can learn how to do things like “Prophetic Prayer”...but it won’t get you any results unless you have a good relationship with God....
Some energy healing traditions have it that you must purify your body of toxins in order to work...
There’s a tradition where you can only become a Shaman after a Shamanic Sickness and during that sickness (if you pass) you’ll learn how to use a specific herb and dance to cure all kinds of things....

But sure, a 3 day Reiki class will get you the same results as these other methodologies that take actual effort on your part....

The reason I say it's a pyramid scheme is that masters make more money overcharging for classes than they do treatments. There's a tradition in reiki circles that you never charge more to teach it than you were charged to learn it, which let's many masters seek to recoup their money by training more members to cover costs of their own classes. It continues down the line, and that's how you spend $3k on magic energy juju that doesn't actually teach you how to do anything.

So why is reike fake and others not? I know people that call themselves shamans and I know Christian's that say they are prophets and others that have the gift of tongues or healing. They did nothing for those things. Besides that these classes are 10 hours a day. That seems like work to me? And they are free. In this group they call a clan. A medicine clan.

Because none of their teachings make any sense. It's all been cobbled together from different cultures with a history that doesn't line up and methodology that has no basis in any other esoteric teachings.

You're paying someone to wave their hands over you so that you can wave your hands over others. You don't use or direct any energy, Reiki does it itself. The whole thing is a crock. You're better off learning about Qigong or yoga or something else with a little more history and documentation behind it. Or, learn the underlying metaphysics and develop your own.

ALSO, saying shaman and Christians do nothing for their power is ignorant as ****. You don't understand where any of that comes from if you think it's easy.

Fyxe wrote: Ok...

Well sorta harsh but let's go with it. Isnt every aspect of modern day jediist all just "stolen" practices and ideas? I mean even the name jediist is used so we dont get in trouble for using the name jedi, stolen as well. (Stolen is a harsh word)

I am taking the reiki classes next year and have got ahold of a teacher who tells me that o shall be certified in 3 days if I like and will have the full power available to me after "atunement". So about 20 years, how does that make it better?

Elizabeth, do you believe in the force or not?

I believe in many things, as my path through life unfolds my beliefs can change, grow, mature and even fall to the side.
Does it matter if I believe in the force?
And are you asking if I believe in your idea of the force?

In every path you will find other beliefs incorporated under a heading such as 'christianity' or 'jediism' there may be a few unique aspects to every path but many shared similar beliefs.
If you look at any religion and trace its history, research its symbolism you will find branches of many other paths that are brought in to the main religious name in order to unite different factions or to strengthen belief. Its actually intresting to delve into.
Jediism is similar to me.


I wonder why reiki intrests you. Do you wish to be a healer in life? Have you considered first aid classes to go alongside your intrest?
My personal opinion on being certified in three days is that your certificate will be worthless. Learning anything requires time, knowledge and action.

Well, one thing I have discovered in my time here and in this thread continues it, is that you guys are INCREDIBLY good at never answering any question directly. some sort of skirt the issue and others just avoid it all together and go off on a rabit trail.

Fyxe wrote: Well, one thing I have discovered in my time here and in this thread continues it, is that you guys are INCREDIBLY good at never answering any question directly. some sort of skirt the issue and others just avoid it all together and go off on a rabit trail.

Believe it or not I am answering your question. The problem is your idea of the force in this thread and others is YOURS alone. I may agree with bits others I don't.
My idea of the force grows through my journey, I believe in this path I am forging.
What I wrote was in response to what you wrote.
Are you not also avoiding answering by getting angry?
Sometimes clarification means answering a question with a question.

elizabeth has a point. You haven't really said anything except to ask questions that you've attacked the answers to. Why not redirect your passion into following up on those answers? Why ask questions, demand answers, and then completely ignore them once they're given?

What is it you're trying to accomplish?

Wrong on both replies because you insert whatever reality you want in order to justify your claims!

I did not ask Elizabeth if she believed in MY version of the force. I asked you if you believe in the force. That was all. Your answer was "does it matter". Well yes it matters.

I asked steamy what systems are better to learn for energy healing than reike. Your answer was "I'm not telling you because I didnt like your attitude. Go study yoga". Yea ks that about my speed in your eyes buddy? Well that's just being an ass on purpose. You dont like me, then dont reply I would say.

I have DEMANDED nothing and I have imposed nothing and I dont understand why you keep telling me I have??

What about this? Can we use the fiction not just for labeling, but for learning? It would save you a bit of money and I have some ideas for fictional inspiration

Yoga and Qigong were LITERALLY my answers to your question.

If you'd stop being so quick to be angry, you'd recognize that you're the only one I us who's arguing.

We can definately use the lore for learning.


Angry, steamy? Come on, once again you assume to much! Yoga is just exercise right? But I dont know about qigong so I will look into it! Thanks

No, Yoga is not just exercise. Movement of the body is a fundamental, but not the only part of Yoga. Unfortunately, the practice of Yoga in the west is a bit bastardised

Here is a wiki on Yoga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga
and one on Qigong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong

We all definitely comprehend and learn at our own pace. Some people take 20 years to learn what you can learn easily and one day. Some people believe so strongly in their laws and facts when really they're just theories and beliefs Pushed on them.
So For the few who can think outside the fish tank.
There is a whole nother world and power that these people in the fish tank will never know.
So enjoy your journey.
May you be with the force

forceuser wrote: Some people believe so strongly in their laws and facts when really they're just theories and beliefs Pushed on them.

Yea, try and keep that in mind next time you trust the "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of thermodynamics that make your car engine not a useless hunk of metal. Keep that in mind on new year's eve when you see all the colourful fireworks produced by exploiting the "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of chemistry. Most of all keep it in mind every time you come here to tell us about the virtues of pseudo-open-mindedness by using an electronic device built from semiconductors understood through the quantum "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of solids.

Open your mind to woo, then close it to reality, and then pretend it's those who won't follow down that path that are the unreasonable, the closed-minded, the blind ones.

forceuser wrote: Some people believe so strongly in their laws and facts when really they're just theories and beliefs....

The process of investigating and validating claims is much more well developed and reliable in the world of academics than it is in the world of psychics and reiki masters. The absurdity of you claiming that the “science side” is the one that denies reality by clinging to their shallow “laws and facts when really theyre just theories and beliefs” does not come across as an impressive argument against science, but as an unintended admission of your complete ignorance about it.

There is a whole nother world and power that these people in the fish tank will never know.

I dont know if you know this but “nother” is not a word. It may be that you were speaking informally and/or it may be that english is not your first language. Having grown up in the Southern United States, ive heard “whole nother world” used before, particularly by poorly educated, white people. Im not picking on white people, here; poorly educated black people also butcher the english language, they just do it in different ways. The important thing is this; if youre trying to convince me that you understand he fundamental elements of reality and the human psyche better than i do, youre not helping your case by making me suspect that you cant even ****** talk. LOL
Its just another hint that you are ignorant/unaware of some very basic and very important things that adults who take their own intellectual development seriously will do their best to understand.

Not that there's anything that will help your case at this point. Youve claimed to have repeatedly done things which i am confident that you have not done. Magical things which defy the laws of nature. Either you truly believe you have done these things, or you know that you havent. In the event of the first,i wont bother trying to convince you to see a doctor about your hallucinations because i know you wont listen, but i will tell you that you're experiencing hallucinations and should see a doctor. A psychiatrist, in particular.
In the second case, im going to be charitable and guess that you justify the falsehood because you really believe these things are possible. You think someone is doing them, so its OK for you to “stick up for them” by claiming to have done them, yourself. Probably you even believe that you will eventually do them, so what difference does it really make if you say it, now?

It makes a difference. People who understand that we have to build our lives on what it TRUE will respect the truth and speak the truth, even when they wish the truth were different.

You've got me there my English is terrible even my mother had a hard time understanding me. In my college days I had a professor tell me I needed to take English as a second language.
Since most of you seem like you're on the road to becoming a jedi or self aware.
I had a man tell me" you have 2 ears and one mouth you're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak. " and of course by now you can tell I'm old school my mother always told us if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything.
Your words trouble me because they don't have compassion understanding or even the Desire to learn from others.
My grandfather taught me your word is your bond.
I try not to exaggerate or embellish .
I'm going to tell you a little about myself not to brag just to show you I'm not a kid who needs
To feel important while telling the world they're wrong.
I have received diplomas and certificates in automotive mechanics, I've been in the military, repelled and jumped out of planes something I thought was important at the time. I don't know how I graduated the sheriff's Academy when I could barely spell Write a report, they must have felt sorry for me. I received a general contractor's license and also a realestate license. I have built hundreds and hundreds of homes and personally bought Around a 100.
I don't need your approval. Like you my whole life I was trained to believe the force and its use was impossible and things movies were made of. Not trying to convince you . My only proof would be A doctor who travels the world preaching ,and an a handful or so of eyewitnesses. I know that's not scientific proof.
All I can say is all those things you've seen the jedi do In a fictional movie . Plus more can and have been done in Real life.
May you all be with the force.

So seeing as you don't need whomever's approval, the reason you are telling them how you're just better than them (or great, at any rate) in so many ways and particularly not a self-absorbed and/or insecure child is... just incidental. No intention to brag at all, none to condescend... Fair enough.

Still doesn't make fantasy real, sorry, no matter how hard you "all I can say". Which, if we're being frank here... isn't even a lot, all things considered. Imagine how much nonsense one could spout on a long enough day, were one to entirely abandon any commitments to honesty...