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Esoteric: "Feeling the Force"
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22 Apr 2015 02:00 - 22 Apr 2015 03:05 #189203
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i wanted to add that two other ways of identifying the devils of the dark side of the self are as arrogance and resentment
these lead to all kinds of hells and miseries which we both suffer and impose
and they again are linked to self reflections
which i understand as the experience of placing definitive value judgements on the self in relation to others or others in relation to the self
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the feeling of the self, and especially ones FEELINGS, as the single most important element of the moment
and self fixation
which i understand as self reflection internalized into a compulsion which becomes energetically draining and psychogically distorting
and result in all sorts of ideas about our entitlements and the unfairness of our persecutions
all of which twist us into spiritually ugly things
substantive increase in personal power is the worst possible thing that can happen to a person who does not have a healthy and effective means to address these issues
People are complicated.
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OB1Shinobi wrote: the darkness within man is a result of self reflection and self fixation
it comes from insecurity and fear which becomes selfishness and meanness
the only way to reconcile it is to break the chains of self reflection and self fixation
i wanted to add that two other ways of identifying the devils of the dark side of the self are as arrogance and resentment
these lead to all kinds of hells and miseries which we both suffer and impose
and they again are linked to self reflections
which i understand as the experience of placing definitive value judgements on the self in relation to others or others in relation to the self
and
the feeling of the self, and especially ones FEELINGS, as the single most important element of the moment
and self fixation
which i understand as self reflection internalized into a compulsion which becomes energetically draining and psychogically distorting
and result in all sorts of ideas about our entitlements and the unfairness of our persecutions
all of which twist us into spiritually ugly things
substantive increase in personal power is the worst possible thing that can happen to a person who does not have a healthy and effective means to address these issues
People are complicated.
Last edit: 22 Apr 2015 03:05 by OB1Shinobi.
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22 Apr 2015 09:32 #189231
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For me the dark side is a tangible representation of the subconscious 'dark' alter ego... it lives under an ice sheet for me and bust's through if I entertain the concept and give it power to emerge!!! Though I don't consider 'that' the Force so feeling that is just an exercise in a particular field of self power, and just a particular manifestation of my own power (and thus part of the Force). If seeing 'everything' as the Force, then 'feeling' it (the Force) becomes a more intimate and ethereal concept which is felt the most for me when disengaging the mechanism's of active perception and resting in passive perception ie prajñā, otherwise I try to direct access to the Force into my perception (spirit), proprioception (body) and processing (mind) not so much to 'feel' it but to let it filter into my conscious awareness as much as possible as insight (empathy), focus and hopefully wisdom.
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23 Apr 2015 02:21 - 23 Apr 2015 02:22 #189328
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People are complicated.
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negative emotions offer us insight into where we have room for growth
a lot of times our "darker" impulses are indicators of areas we need to address in a deliberate way
also, certain things are entirely instinctual or biological, like basic aggression and sex impulses
these aspects of ourselves are essentially healthy - we have them because we need them and they are good for us
its dangerous to try to completely deny or refuse something which is as integral to our nature as the ability to feel - or the ability to enjoy what we feel
these aspects of ourselves HAVE to be given an outlet,
there is no way to just eradicate our aggression or our sexuality without heavy medication or severe psychological distortion
so to say "i reject you" is misleading and dangerous
except for those specific words at the end i feel the video got it right and even the choice of words should be considered in the context of the preceding words and the visuals
and i think the last thing that wants me to say it is to point out that yoda realized he woukd never defeat the violent impulse with violence
also if you think about it, his dark self was not at war - it wanted only to be acknowledged really
what did it say- face me now or i will devour you
thats a demand for resolution imo much more than contention
a lot of times our "darker" impulses are indicators of areas we need to address in a deliberate way
also, certain things are entirely instinctual or biological, like basic aggression and sex impulses
these aspects of ourselves are essentially healthy - we have them because we need them and they are good for us
its dangerous to try to completely deny or refuse something which is as integral to our nature as the ability to feel - or the ability to enjoy what we feel
these aspects of ourselves HAVE to be given an outlet,
there is no way to just eradicate our aggression or our sexuality without heavy medication or severe psychological distortion
so to say "i reject you" is misleading and dangerous
except for those specific words at the end i feel the video got it right and even the choice of words should be considered in the context of the preceding words and the visuals
and i think the last thing that wants me to say it is to point out that yoda realized he woukd never defeat the violent impulse with violence
also if you think about it, his dark self was not at war - it wanted only to be acknowledged really
what did it say- face me now or i will devour you
thats a demand for resolution imo much more than contention
People are complicated.
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23 Apr 2015 10:55 - 23 Apr 2015 10:59 #189346
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People are complicated.
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from the lens of what (admittedly little) that i understand of modern psyxhology, it could be/is said that religions REALLY are worshiping various aspects of human consciosness and experience - like "love" and war ect -
the gods were "really" parts of ourselves which are at their heart such powerful drives and forces over our lives that they may as well be gods; the idea that we FALL in love for instance, i mean most who have been really in love, especially if it didnt go too well can relate to the idea that different parts of ourselves have a way of just pretty much hijacking the rest of the system/person
well one way of looking at polytheism is that each of those "parts" was externalized, named, and revered as one of the gods
from this perspective it could be said that monotheism represents the integration of the whole personal psyche into a unified being
the gods were "really" parts of ourselves which are at their heart such powerful drives and forces over our lives that they may as well be gods; the idea that we FALL in love for instance, i mean most who have been really in love, especially if it didnt go too well can relate to the idea that different parts of ourselves have a way of just pretty much hijacking the rest of the system/person
well one way of looking at polytheism is that each of those "parts" was externalized, named, and revered as one of the gods
from this perspective it could be said that monotheism represents the integration of the whole personal psyche into a unified being
People are complicated.
Last edit: 23 Apr 2015 10:59 by OB1Shinobi.
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