BPAs - all men should read

theres so many different comedic angles that could take but i think ill just say that science has finally proven that consumerism is unhealthy

about the water tower; its basically just a net that collects condensation

thats it

they put a giant bamboo frame around it - maybe to keep wildlife and random windblown detritus, but ultimately the frame is probably optional

its a net, the net gets water on it overnight from condensation

the way theyre doing it they really have a lotof wasted space

i suspect it could be done in a way that most people could put one in their yards or maybe even on their back porch and wouldnt have a problem

also maybe some intelligently researched beverage companycould be convinced to make a BPA free line of drinks and see how they do

OB1Shinobi wrote: theres so many different comedic angles that could take but i think ill just say that science has finally proven that consumerism is unhealthy

about the water tower; its basically just a net that collects condensation

thats it

they put a giant bamboo frame around it - maybe to keep wildlife and random windblown detritus, but ultimately the frame is probably optional

its a net, the net gets water on it overnight from condensation

the way theyre doing it they really have a lotof wasted space

i suspect it could be done in a way that most people could put one in their yards or maybe even on their back porch and wouldnt have a problem

also maybe some intelligently researched beverage companycould be convinced to make a BPA free line of drinks and see how they do

But how much water can that net create in one night?

Ratcliffe wrote: Absolutely right and the other concern is the primary source of BPA is not plastic bottle, which it is relatively hard to get BPA out of but is instead cash register recites. they are coated in BPA. If you happen to sanitize your hands after checking out, which I sadly do, when you touch the recite you get a huge dose of BPA.

I did find out that arrowhead water bottles and any Dr. Pepper owned company use Polyethylene terephthalate or PET for short and that is BPA free.

the ones used in ethiopia produce twenty to twenty five gallons every night

you might google warka water

also

fog harvesting net

the ideas are extremely simple in design and can be reinterpreted to each persons situation

seriously i could make something to achieve this basic result from a trip to hobby lobby or wal mart

its a net lol

a really fine net that is left outside to soak up condensation

find a big arse net thats finely woven and made out of hemp or maybe just a non BPA plasitc and hang it up on your porch or in your yard with a big arse ceramic pot under it and there ya go

bpa free drining water straight from mother nature

it doesnt get any fresher than condensation or steam

OB1Shinobi wrote: it doesnt get any fresher than condensation or steam

Except that I live right next to a vineyard (as in literally 10 yards away) where they spray pesticides, fungicides and who knows what else every day during the warmer months so I'd never drink water I have collected outside my house BPA would probably be the least of my worries here. These water collection devices may be a godsend for people living in arid places, but they are an emergency solution. Also, while I have developed some BPA awareness because I have two small kids (the 'no BPA' stickers are on pretty much every bottle, cup and plate you buy for the kids) doesn't mean I'm a nutter (at least not in this respect

Ob1 I did search the warka water and not only are they truly inspired and inspiring but they are beautiful piece's of architecture.
Although my apartment maneger would let us built one....or ten, lol.

Now I have a project to put together in the ole' back yard.


Not that I don't have enough to do.

i said "wasted space" in my last post and i would like to amend that

the space theyuse in the design is not wasted exactly because that basic teardrop shape was found to be functional - which makes sense that a water drop shape would be most effective for harvesting water lol certainly

but id like to point out that the design here is the result of multiple factors such as open desert space and the need to provide for a small community rather than a small family, much less one or two individuals

so these things collect about 20 - 25 gallons of water every night

if the design were changed in a way that resulted in half of that there would still be a two plus gallon water collection for every member of a four person family

that doesnt allow for bathing obviously but its certaily a fair drought of drinking and even cooking water

also im willing to bet the thing could be hung sideways or kind of stretched out similar to a hammock and still produce a hefty collection

im also thinking that its flexibility allows it to be contorted to some degree in order to be used in a compacted space like a bacl porch or a balcony

and since at the end of the day what we are talking about is a net, just a net, hung out to collect moisture, it also stands to reason that a person could set it out at night before going to bed and then roll it up in the early morning around sunrise (or whenever your landlady wakes up)

also, just to make sure its clarified, water collected from both steam and condensation (which are the same thing really- water heated into a vapor cooling down into liquid water again) if it is not collected from the surface of a contaminated object is safe to drink

the waterfrom steam or condensation is clean as a result of the molecular process it undergoes

to my knowledge theres no cleaner water in the world actually

all that being said i am not attempting to tell anyone what they should or should not do, i simply enjoy looking around and finding solutions to things and then sharing them so people know they have choices and the ability to empower themselves as they see fit

and thanks for posting that picture Ken, how to do that is one solution i HAVENT found just yet lol

◀-- is not a computer genius!

and ruggad! if by chance you ever do make that project happen id love to see a picture! no worries if not of course but itd be very cool if it did happen

From one not computer savvy guy to another no prob and anytime.

So basically its just distilled water? But does steam water purify the BPA in it?

no it doesnt

i apologize

i should have clicked and read the link Adder provided and i would have better understood the problem

i looked further and found this, which i did not realize until i read it for myself:

"In animals like mice and rate, doses as low as 0.025 µg/kg/day can causes permanent changes to the genital tract and predispose breast cells to cancerous activity.

Between 1 and 30 µg/kg/day can lead to long-term reproductive changes

like earlier puberty and longer periods, decline in testicular testosterone,

and prostate cell changes indicative of cancer,

as well as behavioral effects like decreased maternal instincts and even reversed sex roles.

Basically, BPA exposure can affect almost every system in our bodies, particularly those impacted by reproductive hormones."

http://nutritionwonderland.com/2009/08/plastic-troubles-bisphenol-a/


however

http://thisgreenblog.com/2009/10/are-brita-and-pur-water-pitchers-bpa.html

Dear Ms. Eisenberg,

Thank you for contacting us.

The pitcher lids and filter housings are made of Polypropylene plastic. The reservoirs and pitchers are made either from NAS (a Styrene based plastic) or SAN (Styrene Acrylonitrile). The soft-touch handles are made from an elastomer called Santoprene (not to be confused with Latex or Neoprene). Our products do not contain any bisphenol A and are all tested by the NSF (National Sanitation Foundation) for safety and wetted contact. Unfortunately the pitcher materials are not recyclable, and therefore do not have a plastic number. Please contact us at any time if you have additional questions.

Again, thank you for contacting us.

Sincerely,

Candy Thoma
Consumer Response Representative
Consumer Services

Pur’s Response

Dear Ms. Eisenberg,
Hi Sheryl,

Thank you for contacting Pur.

There is no BPA present in any PUR pitchers/dispensers or lids. Pur pitcher/dispenser bodies are manufactured from an acrylic-based polymer classified as recycling code #7. Pur pitcher/dispenser lids are manufactured from polystyrene, code #6. Pur pitcher/dispenser filters are made from polypropylene, code #5, and also contain no BPA.

All Pur pitchers/dispensers undergo independent safety testing by NSF International, a not-for-profit certification agency for water treatment and other products. Our products meet all industry standards and specifications for material safety and chemical extraction. I’ll share your comments with the team.

Pur water filtration system is the first leading brand to claim reduction of pharmaceuticals identified in U.S. tap water. The new research shows that Pur Water Filtration Systems remove more than 99 percent of pharmaceutical compounds from America’s tap water using the Pur faucet filters and more than 96 percent with Pur pitchers.

Pur effectively reduces five different categories of medication including:

Hormones: prednisone, prednisolone, progesterone, testosterone and cortisol.

Antibiotics: ciprofloxacin, administered in tablet form to prevent certain infections caused by bacteria,as well as sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim, which are administered intravenously to treat a wide variety of bacterial infections including pneumonia, and urinary tract and intestinal infections.

Antidepressants: fluoxetine, prescribed to treat a variety of conditions, including depression and other mental/mood disorders.

Anti-anxiety medication: meprobamate, a treatment used to relieve nervousness or tension that exceeds stress of everyday life.

Painkillers: ibuprofen and naproxen.

Thanks for writing.

Jim
Pur Team


heres a home detection method which does require you to purchase "Bisphenol A Indicator": Iron(III) chloride

http://www.home-health-chemistry.com/Bisphenol-A-Detection.html

this site brings up interesting points

http://www.edf.org/health/four-reasons-bpa-free-wont-protect-you?utm_source=ggad&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=gr-bpafree&gclid=CIDWi4-H-cQCFQQT7AodLQwA0A

i did find a something awesome though and i saved it for last because i found it last lol and i wanted someone to suffer with me

this is a pdf file entitled

"Human and Ecological Risk Assessment: Vol. 8, No. 5, pp. 1107-1135 (2002)

A Multimedia Assessment of the Environmental Fate
of Bisphenol A"

http://www.bisphenol-a.org/pdf/Cousins2002.pdf

"It is relatively rapidly degraded in the environment with half-lives
in water and soil of about 4.5 days and less than 1 day in air, and with an overall halflife
of 4.5 to 4.7 days, depending on the medium of release."

half life of five days in environmental water

so between a quality water filter and just letting water sit for a week or so in a glass container I GUESS you should be safe (?)

im hoping one of the resident science whiz peeps can elaborate on this half life thing if i dont have it right - im understanding this to mean that it loses its affect on the body after said amount of time?

and that this happens as a result of its inherent molecular progress and that it is not necessary for it to be in constant motion?