SITH?

I PROMISE YOU ALL I AM HERE TO STAY

Man, chill with that roleplay crap, please. There are other sites for that, this isn't one of them.

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Metsu Desal wrote: Like Master J has said before...

The Sith aint Evil and the Jedi aint saints...

A 'sith' seeks self empowerment
A 'Jedi' seeks community empowerment.

Carefull now. Who says?

First sentence is from master Jestor, I don't know who the second one is.

A good night's sleep gave me some new thoughts on that topic I'd lik to share:

For years I spend time in several forums of Jediism and Sithism. I don't wanna be disrespectful, insulting or talk down the opinion of anyone, but let's talk straight a moment. Honesty is the first virtue of a Jedi. This is only my opinion.

"Sith" is (like hate or love or Jedi) a word that loses weight and meaning the more often and casually you use it.
Don't get fooled by some of the Star Wars media. Lots of it is intended to simply entertain and to be sold to all-age audiences as part of a huge merchandise machine. So yes, we all love Darth Maul's bodyart and we all like Revan. We love watching Ian McDiramid playing the role of Palpatine and Anakins is still the romantic hero though he slays younglings...
But we are not fictional characters. Things are real out here.

A Sith is someone who thinks that he himself has a right above all others to prevail and gain power and that all others who do not join their cause are lesser beings. Lesser beings. Go out there and tell somebody of your choice in the face that he or she is a lesser being, worth only to serve like a slave to a cause they would not even unterstand in the first place because it is way above their savage heads...
And I'm convinced the majority of people here would not walk their dark talks in earnest, because in their hearts they know it's neither right nor does it make any sense.

Seriously guys, a lot of "Dark Siders" dont know what their talking about. I'm from Germany. My country's history crawls with people who thought in Ubermensch terms and strove for power over all others. These people are not devils or demons either, but just really bad human beings. But nonetheless they play in a whole different league than most of the black-clad adolescent Dark Siders that exist on the internet.

I got to know a lot of Dark Siders and most of them are just good guys with a good heart but who wrap themselves in rough outsides.
Unfortunately there are a lot of one-sided views on the Light Side out there, that drive young men and women to the thought they must be Dark Side. But there is no reason a Jedi can't hold strength, or be a gruffy character or be self-assured and straight to the point with a no-bullsh*t attitude (see Mace Windu, Tholme, Quinlan Vos or Kyp Durron). Light Side means plurality and tolerance. Jedi also improve themselves - they SEEK to improve themselves through knowledge and training. But not solely themselves.

I am a man who likes martial arts. I played in a metal band. I'm very self-assured about my values and opinions. I don't wear beige robes. I dont't like all-is-flowers worldviews and am very critical about the moral wordviews the majority of people have worldwide. But I am not a Dark Sider. I like working for the Light - for what is good and right and just. The Light Side is plurality - the Dark Side is not. It is egoistic and centralized.

Not sharing the need for a common wellbeing but only sticking to one's own business, does not make you Sith. It just makes you a loner. So whoever partakes in this forum, discussing in a nice civilized fashion and has friends amongst all other "Sides" is not Sith. The Sith are a very aggressive community that holds no tolerance, no compassion and no "proper behavior". That Triple Moon Lady who got banned recently may not have shined with wisdom, but she definetley had the darker attitude. Don't fool yourself by romantic views of the hard-hearted black knight. "Absolute power" is not compatible with friendship and virtues like honor or dignity.

In my opinion a lot of Dark Siders fall victim to roleplay, pretending their are something they are not. On one hand, that is good. Nobody needs Sith. On the other hand it is sad, because no one should waste his precious time with building castles in the air. Nobody knows that better then someone who follows the idea of becoming a real Jedi.

MCSH wrote:

Rickie The Grey wrote:

Metsu Desal wrote: Like Master J has said before...

The Sith aint Evil and the Jedi aint saints...

A 'sith' seeks self empowerment
A 'Jedi' seeks community empowerment.

Carefull now. Who says?

First sentence is from master Jestor, I don't know who the second one is.

You're missing my point. Think about it. Who says?

English isn't his first language, Rickie.

Sajjad, he's questioning how correct your comment is, not who says it.

Well, Rickie, I say. A Sith, being me and folks I know, seek power for themselves. To better themselves. To overcome obstacles. How they use it is entirely up to them.

Now, I can't speak for Jedi, just for my observations, but as far as I can tell, a Jedi uses their power so that they may cause positive effects in their lives and in the lives of those around them. It's for good works, and good people. Finding serenity. All the fun stuff. Have you ever asked yourself why so many Jedi are in the armed forces, or something that positively affects their community?

Ah

Bastian, expressing your opinion in a well mannered way is not disrespectful

Akkarin wrote: Bastian, expressing your opinion in a well mannered way is not disrespectful

Agreed...

And, it is your opinion Bastian....

Ultimatly, the "die hard" Sith, the role-players like moon, or now jasper, or even rexy (who hasn't made a post but shares the ip, ) are children... Childish in thoughts, regardless of age...

I think the world is full of inherently good people, and everyone has their ideas of a perfect world...

The ones who act like adults, well, they (to me) are just darker jedi...

We sorta remove the light and dark labels here... Akkarin is "lighter" than me, but that doesn't make me less jedi...

We have to use these terms as we understand them so as to have conversations...

But, a good person, is a good person, regardless of what title or description they give themselves....

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Rickie, Metsu was paraphrasing a widly held sentiment...

I was last to basically say that, in different words...

Who says?

Thus far, it seems to be the pattern shown...

We both seek self improvement, Jedi/Sith, that is...

talking about the sith, if a sith appears what are we going to do?

Lace96 wrote: talking about the sith, if a sith appears what are we going to do?

Treat them like we would any other person we meet. Give them respect and listen and don't pass judgement about them based on what we think they are like...

Well I blue that pretty bad.

My point of "Who says?" Is there are as many opinious of what Sith and Jedi are as there are people that say they are. We sometimes hang onto definitions a little too hard when they are just opinions and opinions can change with the wind.

Sorry about the language thing MCSH. You write well enough to fool me.

lol Rickie, It's not your fault, and to be honest, I'm proud that my native language is Persian, it show the background I have, that I came from the nation who ruled over half of the world and bring justice to them...

Lace96 wrote: talking about the sith, if a sith appears what are we going to do?

I don't know about the others, but I like a friendly 'hello'. Good place to start.

yeap haha

Rickie The Grey wrote: Well I blue that pretty bad.

My point of "Who says?" Is there are as many opinious of what Sith and Jedi are as there are people that say they are. We sometimes hang onto definitions a little too hard when they are just opinions and opinions can change with the wind.

Ah...

lol, well, as was said, I said it...

But, if you read my stuff, and get to know me...

I am always expressing opinions that can be wrong, and subject to change with a good conversation....

Really, when anyone speaks, they are expressing an opinion...

So far, the only real truth I have found is I exist...

Everything else is subject to debate......

I actually used to have a disclaimer in my sig, something about "all the opinions and views expressed by the above person (Jestor) are opinion... And with intelligent conversation, and enough thought, are subject to change"

Perhaps someone can clarify this sith thing? I watched the star wars movies but didn't read the books so I don't know all of the fiction behind it. When I hear sith I just think of red face-paint and double-light-sabers and the bitches of the dark lord, lol.

Then when you come to TOTJO they say that the sith are basically selfish people... so basically 90% of Americans are sith; they place individual material gain above all else and pray at the altar of the bank teller.

Then when you listen to the users here who claim to be sith they are basically people who feel guilty about something in the past or are trying to rationalize going against their own conscience...

jasperx wrote: I PROMISE YOU ALL I AM HERE TO STAY

Well now...I wouldn't say THAT...

Lace96 wrote: talking about the sith, if a sith appears what are we going to do?

Party?

Whyte Horse wrote: Perhaps someone can clarify this sith thing? I watched the star wars movies but didn't read the books so I don't know all of the fiction behind it. When I hear sith I just think of red face-paint and double-light-sabers and the bitches of the dark lord, lol.

Then when you come to TOTJO they say that the sith are basically selfish people... so basically 90% of Americans are sith; they place individual material gain above all else and pray at the altar of the bank teller.

Then when you listen to the users here who claim to be sith they are basically people who feel guilty about something in the past or are trying to rationalize going against their own conscience...

I don't care about money and I don't feel guilty about anything, check mate
From what I've learned from lurking here is that no two Sith will have the same Sithynes so just ctrl+alt+delete any and all preconceived notions of Sithness you may have gained from movies or dodgy sites, get out there, meet some Sith and judge them based on them....or ask William.

Whyte Horse, I don't know the fiction either. I don't intend on ever learning it... besides the new films of course

The real Jedi have adapted the teachings of the fiction to be applicable in the real world. The real Sith have adapted the teachings of the fiction to be applicable in the real world.

Some people have differences of opinion about these adaptations. but on the whole there are similar themes

At TotJO we are influenced by the fiction but I have found in my time here that we are the least fiction orientated part of the community. We take a lot more from the 'real world' including taking heavily from the very things that Star Wars itself was influenced by

But there is much more to being a Sith than being selfish just as there is more to being a Jedi than being selfless. As to whether those people fulfil your expectations of what you think they are well I can't vouch for that

Well I'm just new here and there are people who self-identify with the word sith so I'd like to know what it is they identify with...