Whatever Happened to the Knights?

As The Stranglers once asked: 'Whatever Happened to the [strike]Heroes[/strike] Knights?'

Seriously though, with the exception of Carlos hardly any of you seem to be present in the forums I have access to? I don't even know who's still here?

Is it possible to get a list of Knights who are still active?

Hallo Brian, peaceful timezone

Perhaps,
it is only a season where each person builds a little bit more their own Jedi path in real life,
instead of being Jedi Keyboards.
And maybe in the future will be too many Knights and less apprentices,
everything changes in statistics but I'm curious to know the same thing as you

May the Wisdom be with us

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Agreed.

Though I thought the question relevant as there have been comments in some of the threads about the discussions being less spiritual and 'jedi' related than they used to be. I was discussing it with another apprentice, and I think thay one of the many contributing factors is that knights are less present.

If memory serves, they were far more involved in the threads than they appear to now, and they often started their own threads much more often than they seem to these days. I think this helped to guide discussion and keep more of a focus on the spiritual/faith side of things

Brick wrote: Agreed.

Though I thought the question relevant as there have been comments in some of the threads about the discussions being less spiritual and 'jedi' related than they used to be. I was discussing it with another apprentice, and I think thay one of the many contributing factors is that knights are less present.

If memory serves, they were far more involved in the threads than they appear to now, and they often started their own threads much more often than they seem to these days. I think this helped to guide discussion and keep more of a focus on the spiritual/faith side of things

nature abhors a vacuum.

Jhannuzs Ian wrote: Hallo Brian, peaceful timezone

Perhaps,
it is only a season where each person builds a little bit more their own Jedi path in real life,
instead of being Jedi Keyboards.
And maybe in the future will be too many Knights and less apprentices,
everything changes in statistics but I'm curious to know the same thing as you

May the Wisdom be with us

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A common enough experience. There reaches a point in the training when a Jedi should be out there, engaged in the path and doing good work. For the last few years I've been studying counselling and this year I started work as a school counsellor. I haven't been very active in the community as a result. It happens in a lot of groups and unfortunately it does mean that there's going to be less interaction from members who are actually out there living the Jedi Path.

Verily- the presence of the Knights would be nice for the atmosphere, but that is no guarantee.

I, like many others, am offline more often than I'd like, but that doesn't mean I don't care. It just means offline-time is more valuable. I can effect change there; instead of spending hours catching up on threads (that have either gone off track, or are beating the same old horse) only to be unheard or simply missed, I train my apprentice, work on my writings, and love on my little family.


While I can't speak for everyone, this is also the tail end of summer, where folks are coming back from vacation/holiday and getting back into the swing of school or work.

Alas, do not fret!! We are here behind the scenes doing our works and trying to stay afloat!

Thanks Barger. I too understand the importance of Offline Jedi-ing, given my 18 month hiatus. It also wan't a criticism of the knights, I've argued in support of them plenty in the past, just a query

Honestly why I didn't continue pursuing my knighthood here. I couldn't make an honest commitment of time.

I am just bumping this because I believe this is a discussion worth having, and do not want to see it fall to the wayside.

I'm not here because the rest of the membership has decided to allow this place to descend into chaos, and it no longer enriches my life. If that changes, I'll become active again, but until people are willing to let me help, all I'm doing is spinning my wheels here.

Wait. How many Knights are there? I thought the site had maybe 10. I've only seen like 3 post anything... granted I've only been here for a day and a half now.

One of the ... pros and cons of a international self paced honor system type of Temple is at any given time there can be two or 20 present or none. Internationally- not every one CAN be present on the same schedule. Some go for week some go per month some go longer as far as logging on. It’s a huge mix of availability and dedications some times. Balance is hard on time some times.

@Brian Also you mentioned this topic about "to be focus" on: the spiritual/faith side of things.

Then, Which spiritual aspect would you like to evoke?

Random edge: If my spiritual vision could be a personal relation in my inner and external world, then:
How can Jediism can be applied to gain strength to create goals into reality? Would you like to create a thread around?

May the Focus be with Us

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steamboat28 wrote: I'm not here because the rest of the membership has decided to allow this place to descend into chaos, and it no longer enriches my life. If that changes, I'll become active again, but until people are willing to let me help, all I'm doing is spinning my wheels here.

Steam, I am asking this in the most direct way I can so if it comes off offensive please let me know, I'm not trying to be a jerk. How in your eyes has it descended into chaos? How do we change that? And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

Kobos wrote: How in your eyes has it descended into chaos? How do we change that?

Banned members are having their punishments ignored so they can traipse around the entire forum, sowing discontent and spewing hatred. Knights abandoned their posts (myself included) for various reasons. The Council makes decisions slowly, then doesn't stick with them, and rarely listens to the desires of the membership. Certain other members are consistently problematic in that they refuse to abide by the rules of this space or the doctrine posted at the door, and yet are welcomed here above members who do follow the rules and uphold doctrine as stated. Many among the membership trade only in "wizened, mystical" nonsense that doesn't even have koan-like depth. Things like that.

Kobos wrote: And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Y'know, I'm gonna second what was said earlier--nobody listens. Nobody has ever, in the whole history of me calling this crap out for at least seven years, listened to me in any real, meaningful way. No matter how loud or soft, no matter how pleasant or angry, no matter how passionate or logical, I get ignored.

And after so many years of that, you just stop trying to change anything because you know it's wasted effort.

steamboat28 wrote: [
Banned members are having their punishments ignored so they can traipse around the entire forum, sowing discontent and spewing hatred.

I can absolutely understand this sentiment, I know personally in my mind one individual that in light of recent event should be welcomed back but the choice is not mine to make. As for the spewing hate part I for sure see this too, but shouldn't we try to respond with logical love? Would conversation work to undo the spread of this hate? As I write this one of those that we may consider a source of is busy shooting themselves in the foot on the level of having any one take them seriously.

Kobos wrote: And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Y'know, I'm gonna second what was said earlier--nobody listens. Nobody has ever, in the whole history of me calling this crap out for at least seven years, listened to me in any real, meaningful way. No matter how loud or soft, no matter how pleasant or angry, no matter how passionate or logical, I get ignored.

And after so many years of that, you just stop trying to change anything because you know it's wasted effort.

I can also see this for sure. It's huge for I think any member who has been here for a while. Can something be done here?I know I have personally felt the burn out from my perspective because we feel like we are fighting the tide of what we dislike on our own.
How do we work together on this, can we?

Thank you for you're honest answers!
Much Love,
Kobos

Some listen even learn from what is written.
Your wrong that its a wasted effort, I miss the strong voices of so many knights that have left or felt forced to leave.
But I respect those that continue to be here, as I respect your reasons for walking away.

I know there are knights here that still deal with apprentices and help, sometimes in the background as there are the more vocal ones such as Carlos

Kobos wrote: I can also see this for sure. It's huge for I think any member who has been here for a while. Can something be done here?I know I have personally felt the burn out from my perspective because we feel like we are fighting the tide of what we dislike on our own.
How do we work together on this, can we?

This is why I think so many people blame the leadership, Kobos, because they have the responsibility to set an example and actually lead. The best leaders take counsel from those led, and we're not seeing either of those things happening here. The leadership should be either taking a stand or stepping aside where there are issues, and we're seeing complacency instead.

So, I think you are on to something here because those being led for sure look to leaders for example. I know as Elizabeth (thank you) stated there are those who learn from what is written and are actively listening still, just tend to be the quiet ones. But from another angle many of us who are under the rank of knight look to knights to lead us in the discussions, I know that we can do better than we are on being active (at least myself, I have been trying to lately). Perhaps this activity across all levels is what will fuel active leadership, is that a possibility? Or is it possible we govern our own actions only appealing to the council in deep times of need?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

The Knights definitely also have a responsibility to step up, but anytime the Knights, as a body, have asked for things to be done to better this Temple and place of sacred learning, I've seen them shot down. That isn't conducive to an environment that makes Knights want to lead.