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02 Mar 2016 19:29 #231288 by Jestor
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Edan wrote: It seems a slight irony to me that an oath of confidence requires personal information to be shared.


Nothing is ever required...

Simply dont become clergy... ;)

We do not ask folks to do anything...

If they want something, then yes, they may decide to meet the criteria to meet the eligibility... lol...

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02 Mar 2016 19:37 #231290 by Edan
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Jestor wrote:

Edan wrote: It seems a slight irony to me that an oath of confidence requires personal information to be shared.


Nothing is ever required...

Simply dont become clergy... ;)

We do not ask folks to do anything...

If they want something, then yes, they may decide to meet the criteria to meet the eligibility... lol...


I didn't say you were.. I was just pointing out the irony. ;)

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02 Mar 2016 21:06 - 02 Mar 2016 21:11 #231311 by Whyte Horse
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Alexandre Orion wrote: Whyte Horse ...

Your concerns are noted.

This Oath of Confidence is to replace the seal of "Confession", since Confession -- just the word, carried a lot of baggage that people distrust for diverse and varied reasons to diverse and varied degrees. By taking this Oath - which is for our Clergy members only, really - one is officially bound to not divulge confidences entrusted to them.

There has always been a form of this recognised confidentiality among the Clergy of the TotJO, it was just called the "seal of Confession" ... This is now re-labelled "Confidence" to reflect its more practical nature (distanced from the framework of "sin & repentance" -- which it is not).

By all means, anyone is free to discuss what they would like to about it, but the Clergy have opted to take this oath and no one else is really bound by it. We are not asking Temple Members to swear it.

Oh THOSE secrets. I thought it was totjo secrets, sorry. hehe

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02 Mar 2016 21:34 - 02 Mar 2016 21:34 #231327 by Jestor
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Edan wrote:

Jestor wrote:

Edan wrote: It seems a slight irony to me that an oath of confidence requires personal information to be shared.


Nothing is ever required...

Simply dont become clergy... ;)

We do not ask folks to do anything...

If they want something, then yes, they may decide to meet the criteria to meet the eligibility... lol...


I didn't say you were.. I was just pointing out the irony. ;)


I shoulda told you I was 'just sayin' for the newer folks... :)

Is my humor rubbing off on you, lol... ;)

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02 Mar 2016 23:50 #231369 by Akkarin
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Snowy Aftermath wrote: With all respect, were I a clergy member (and I have been considering pursuing it) would I be able to call emergency services in a case where the confessor had just made it very plain that they had intentions to hurt themselves or someone else? Even licensed therapists and medical doctors are able to do such things. If that is part of what clergy are permitted, it seems reasonable to include that in this section of text to protect them, don't you think?

Confidence Seminary Lesson wrote: If one believes the Confider poses a danger to another, or to themselves, then one has a duty to report this to the appropriate local authorities to prevent such harm from occurring.


Followed later by:

2. Under what circumstances should you report something said under confession to the authorities?


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03 Mar 2016 01:49 - 03 Mar 2016 01:50 #231396 by Rickie
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Jestor wrote:

Edan wrote:
If they want something, then yes, they may decide to meet the criteria to meet the eligibility... lol...[/color]


That's all. That's all there there is.... Sorry, but quit whining.

What!?? What are you afraid of? If you are confident and proud I don't see an issue. If you are weak then I do.

Get in touch with yourself and find peace within. Be happy. :)

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03 Mar 2016 15:39 #231534 by steamboat28
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Rickie wrote: ...quit whining...

This may not be popular but...


I have learned more about TOTJO through "compassionate" responses like these than in any coursework I've done here. I no longer wonder why people jump ship.
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03 Mar 2016 15:57 - 03 Mar 2016 16:16 #231538 by Snowy Aftermath
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steamboat28 wrote:

Rickie wrote: ...quit whining...

This may not be popular but...


I have learned more about TOTJO through "compassionate" responses like these than in any coursework I've done here. I no longer wonder why people jump ship.


That particular person can't even be bothered to begin the IP and is not a fair representative of the community. You'll have to find better evidence to support what you've learned ;)

(no offense, Rickie, hehe)

edit: oh. it wasn't Rickie. *sneaks away*

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03 Mar 2016 15:59 #231539 by Jestor
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steamboat28 wrote:

Rickie wrote: ...quit whining...

This may not be popular but...


I have learned more about TOTJO through "compassionate" responses like these than in any coursework I've done here. I no longer wonder why people jump ship.



Taken as you have posted it, it would appear this is what they guy is saying...

"quit whining ya baby"

However, he is saying to put on your (metaphorical you) big boy/girl panites and keep on going... 'Jedi UP' to quote tzb...

Sure glad words mean things...

It was fairly obvious, i thought, lol...

;)

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03 Mar 2016 16:05 #231541 by steamboat28
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I'm serious, Jestor.

You're right when you say we don't know what you have done or how hard you've worked to accommodate people.

So believe me when I say you have no concept of how hard I have worked to keep people in this Temple.

At any given point, at least half of my clerical ministry is convincing members that TOTJO actually cares about them, that they are actually welcome here, and that we do value their presence. That the nonsense that gets spouted by well-regarded members of this church (including Synod and Council members) is just poorly worded and not actually dismissive. That there are actually people in positions of power that care whether or not they continue their membership here.

And I'm getting really tired of feeling like I'm lying because of responses like this one, and your and Cabur's apparent tones in the other thread.

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