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Rogue One and the Return of Reverence
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https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/01/rogue-one-and-the-return-of-reverence
Snippet that I thought was quite intriguing (and I've not watched the film yet- my son won't sit still and I don't get weekends with my husband because I work them ):
Barring a few from Darth Vader, Rogue One contains almost none of the technological “uses” of the Force that marked the prequels. There are no Jedi driving the action. Instead, we have a believer who trusts the Force, not as a power to be manipulated, but as an object of prayer: “The Force is with me and I am one with the Force.” Îmwe “prays” as he walks through the field of lasers, but we don’t see bolts careening off by the swipe of an unseen hand. It is Îmwe who must change in accordance with the Force. It guides him, not vice versa.
Similarly, there are no magical “saves” in Rogue One. The Force is not manipulated for human ends; rather, the human end of “avoiding biological death” is subordinated to the Force. The main characters die believing, but without “getting what they want” via that belief. The film embodies that fundamental religious recognition—that there is a life greater than biological life, and the true influence of the supernatural is to help us cast off our lives for this greater life. Martyrdom, by which one can willfully give up biological life for some higher value, is the true gift of the Force.
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For all my talk about sublimating my life with the things that make me happy, this was a reminder that there are parts of me left unfulfilled, no matter how much information I have access too, or how (relatively) comfortable my life has become.
One of the universal teachings is one of service to something bigger than myself. Again, something I needed a reminder of.
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I've always likened the Force as Îmwe does: as a guide or a counsellor. The fact that Îmwe's bare faith in the Force makes him a stronger character than some renowned Jedi from Star Wars is both interesting and inspiring for the likes of real life Jedi!
That being said, I woundn't say no to being able to throw people across the room too
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Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Do you think that is the intent? Maybe it is a nod to Jediism and maybe it is an allegory of the paradigm of Catholic enslavement...
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I like the idea of reverence to the Force. It's beneficial in many ways to the path-seekers that mirror their lives on Force-based religious groups. On the other, I think that saying the Force has a "will" is overly-anthropomorphizing. I feel that the Force has a motion, and we're either in step with it or working against it. Rivers don't have wills, but they have direction and motion, and disagreeing with one can make your life harder; so, too, with the Force.
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steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.
Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:
steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.
Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?
You maybe wanna give that a second go?
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steamboat28 wrote:
Kyrin clearly didn't actually read my post, but replied anyhowKyrin Wyldstar wrote:
steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.
Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?
You maybe wanna give that a second go?
And maybe pull out a dictionary in the process?
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