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Ranks: Council Announcement

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05 Jun 2012 20:43 #62796 by ren
The council recently approved the revision of the ranking system as follows:

http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/home/policies/11-general-decrees-general-laws/1961-rank-and-status-laws

Feel free to ask any questions :)

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05 Jun 2012 20:50 #62797 by
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thank you. so this means i can skip the lectures till the end of the studies and still get the rank of novice?

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05 Jun 2012 20:57 #62798 by
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shadowmere wrote: thank you. so this means i can skip the lectures till the end of the studies and still get the rank of novice?


This has always the case as far as I'm aware though it is much more beneficial if you do them in the order they are presented, especially up until the back catalogue

Ultimately an initiate will have to have done and shown understanding and comprehension on all of the topics

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06 Jun 2012 15:02 #62892 by
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Where is the "A.Div level of the degree scheme" mapped out?

I'd like to take a look at the requirements...

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06 Jun 2012 15:07 #62893 by Ben
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Learn_To_Know wrote: Where is the "A.Div level of the degree scheme" mapped out?

I'd like to take a look at the requirements...

MTFBWY,
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I was wondering that too. I believe that the Initiate's Programme exercises count towards it?

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06 Jun 2012 15:18 #62897 by Jestor

All work will be recorded in a journal to be kept in this section, in the same way that Initiate/Apprentice journals have been kept (in the Apprentice's Forum). Once a student believes that they have obtained the necessary credits for the awarding of a degree, this work will be checked by their training master as well as the Scheme Administrator.
If all is satisfactory, the Council member will report to the Council and the student will be awarded the appropriate degree. Credits targets are as follows: Associate of Divinity (A.D. or A.Div) – 200 credits Bachelor of Divinity (B.D. or B.Div) – 400 credits Master of Divinity (M.D. or M.Div) – 400 credits plus successful completion of the Clerical Training Programme Doctorate of Divinity (D.D. or D.Div) – reserved for Bishops to reflect their additional training and commitment to the Order
Training masters are encouraged to post their lessons in the appropriate section so that future teachers and students may benefit from that wisdom:


http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Degree-Qualification-Scheme/31483-Details-of-the-Degree-Qualification-Scheme

The links in the post need corrected i believe, but here is your info...

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06 Jun 2012 15:27 #62899 by
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Bummer....I get a message saying I don't have permission to access that page....

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06 Jun 2012 15:29 #62901 by Ben
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Jestor wrote: http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Degree-Qualification-Scheme/31483-Details-of-the-Degree-Qualification-Scheme

The links in the post need corrected i believe, but here is your info...


Apprentices don't have permission to access that page. Or, at least, I don't!

(This is my 500th post! Woohoo! :) )

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06 Jun 2012 15:32 #62902 by Jestor
THis is to keep eyes focused on the Initiate Program...

It has been a source of discussion...

The scheme is offered to anyone who reaches Knighthood having completed the Initiate's Programme and subsequent apprenticeship training under the supervision of a training master.
Completion of the Initiate's Programme awards 100 credits. For the full breakdown of this please see the relevant post in this section: templeofthejediorder.org/component/optio...101/id,31481/#31481.


So see, you are halfway there...

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06 Jun 2012 15:34 #62904 by
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But, but, but, but.....but

In order to be a Knight we have to complete A.Div scheme.

But in order to complete A.Div scheme we need to be a Knight.

This is hurting my head now, ahhhh!

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06 Jun 2012 15:34 - 06 Jun 2012 15:36 #62905 by Ben
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But the new rank system requires you to have achieved the A.Div before Knighthood can be awarded?


Edit: lol - what LTK said :P I have to stop posting a few seconds later than you, it just makes me look like I can't read! :laugh:

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06 Jun 2012 15:36 #62906 by Jestor
How many point do you think apprenticeship might be worth?

We are not saying it doesnt have bugs...

But, we are fixing things as they come up... We cant provide for each scenario, especially the ones we dont think about...

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06 Jun 2012 15:45 #62910 by ren
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Certain things need updating obviously. Your masters, and more specifically Mark and Damion should help with inconsitencies.

To become a senior Knight now people need the B.Div. problem is, it's not finished so no-one can complete it :P

I'll give access to that forum to apprentices though. Now they definitely need it. Thanks for pointing it out.

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06 Jun 2012 15:51 #62911 by Jestor

ren wrote: I'll give access to that forum to apprentices though. Now they definitely need it. Thanks for pointing it out.


And this was one of the Bugs.... lol...:lol:

See, how efficient...:laugh: :silly: :laugh:

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06 Jun 2012 17:16 #62928 by Zanthan Storm
What implications does this have on the Roseville chapter? Is the protocol still the same or does this bind hands in in-person training by forcing additional compenents? The reason I ask is what is the point of promoting to master if they do not have the ability to teach independently?

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06 Jun 2012 17:36 #62933 by ren
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We have yet to define how to deal with chapters regarding these issues. Note however that you SHOULD follow the "taking on an apprentice" law and that the ranking system applies to all. Because you are offline does not mean your students are incapable of writing essays, and just because you are offline does not mean points cannot be awarded to lessons in a verifiable manner. If we need a copy there are scanners, xerox machines and postal services all around the world. We are treating Doriann as a "special case", however you must know that the A.Div includes the Initiate Programme and apprenticeship exercises, and therefore, they will have to be done properly in the future. We will work on this and will contact you to come up with a way of keeping the appropriate records whilst not restricting your offline lessons.

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06 Jun 2012 17:43 #62935 by Zanthan Storm
That is fine from here on out. However, you can understand I must protect what I have created. For your information, according to the information I had when I started it was done properly. I resent your accusation.

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06 Jun 2012 17:44 #62936 by Jestor
To add a bit more...

In the physical world, you immediately take an apprentice, where here, many are going thought the training independently...

Just as we all have to travel through life...

Possibly, those interested in becoming apprentices of yours, shoul look to the Initiates Program here... On there own time, and pick your brain at your gatherings...

We dont have a set formula yet, but I promise, as ren said, we are not trying to step on your offline activities...

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06 Jun 2012 17:46 #62937 by Jestor

Zanthan Storm wrote: That is fine from here on out. However, you can understand I must protect what I have created. For your information, according to the information I had when I started it was done properly. I resent your accusation.


By "properly", he means according to the new standards, not that you did anything improper...

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06 Jun 2012 17:48 #62938 by Zanthan Storm
Thank you for the clarification.

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