MJ Hannigan

I only locked this topic for a few minutes. As soon as I post this I'm unlocking it. Let's please be mindful not to post discouraging words about someone who can't post to answer them.

There is not a one among us that has not needed another chance to do right.

And there is not a one among us that won't need another at some point.

Hannigan on hiatus is a done thing. He did what he did. The temple responded. Insofar as he can't read or respond to anything here, have the self-respect to stay quiet if you have nothing constructive to add. Talking trash now is cowardly.

My sense is that everyone involved needs a moment to reflect. No one is in a position to talk trash, myself included. No more justifying bad behavior. Hannigan will look to Hannigan, with a little help from friends. The rest of us can look to our own conduct.

Br. John wrote: I only locked this topic for a few minutes. As soon as I post this I'm unlocking it. Let's please be mindful not to post discouraging words about someone who can't post to answer them.

Sorry Br John. I Think I should be clear that I was responding with curiosity about the philosophical considerations, not in regards to the issue at hand itself. The conversation has moved and will remain in PM.

Didnt mean to alarm you

Brenna, I wasn't worried about you. I just needed to pause the posting for a few minutes.

If a Jedi, or many Jedi, bite, perhaps they should reconsider there position as a Jedi.

We are all still human. As such we will fail at time. That fact that we are Jedi means that we strive to be better.

A poor excuse if one is not going to show any attempt at actually do anything about it.

You can only fail, if you put forth the effort not to.

i actually do know Hannigan to be a truly good person I know him yo be very insightful and i do agree at some point a new chance there should be however his behavior does warrant a break for the temple and perhaps a voluble lesson for him

I do see the good in him i want that made very clear

An old Druid proverb states that you can ask 3 bards to tell you the same tale and they will give you 4 different versions. Perspective is always the center of attention. What we understand and have learned at this Temple is slightly to really different that what someone else learns at a different Temple or Order. As Jedi we preach about being open minded and accepting of others, but if we start showing acceptance to those who only practice our ways, than we aren't open or accepting, we are simply just another popularity contest.

I do not believe that and I know each and every one of you don't believe that either. We are Jedi. We stand for what we believe in: The Way of the Jedi. It is something we ALL want. Something we ALL strive for. It doesn't matter what the training looks like because everyone is different, therefore training is different for everyone.

As for Mr. Hannigan, I took the facts that he himself posted and displayed them all together and he said that he did not care. I believe this is true, regardless if he feels remorse or not. He was asked multiple times to stop the personal attacks and the rude behavior and he chose not too. I am all for second chances, third chances, fifteenth chances. Read through my journal, you'll see what I mean. But with each chance I give, I also make sure people understand that my trust will take longer and longer to get back. Giving Mr Hannigan a month to think about what he has done and hopefully learn some respect and acceptance for ALL who strive to be Jedi would be an acceptable punishment for his behavior and the fact this is not the first time. I will always extend my hand to someone in friendship and be willing to help them out, but they also have to be willing to help themselves first.

As I said before, I believe he has great potential and that he could be just as great as any one of us as long as he is willing to humble himself and accept others for who and what they are. It is a simple thing to do, but not always easy when we are set in our ways. It is all a simple choice: accept and respect or judgment and disrespect. I do not speak out of anger or any other emotions. I speak the truth as an unbiased Jedi would when presented with the information that we have all seen. Take it as you like and May the Force be with you all.

What some of our newer members may not realize, is this is FAR from his first offense, and those who have been here a while I personally don't believe are "talking trash" as it were (perhaps the comments were deleted as I've yet to spot any such comments). It's not so much being judgmental, as I believe there is a lesson to be learned here, (not just on Hannigan's part) and Hannigan simply refuses to learn it...

I am going to ask that this topic stops...

I am not going to lock it...

Lets see who can put their training to use...

I like how another member put it:

Oh I do care about the past. But as that is no longer how things are done here, it is not a relevant argument.

While someone may have a history, it can be detrimental to use that against someone, particularly if that is the only perception used. Having grown up as a homosexual in a predominantly heterosexual world, there was a certain image applied to me. I was scared of telling my own family of my orientation for fear of being kicked out of the house. Thankfully they were accepting. I thought the world was changing for the better. So one day I walked from a restaurant holding the hand of my boyfriend. Yet, four people ran after us to beat us because of that one act. It is amazing how prejudice motivates people. To this day, I am still afraid that my sexuality will be used against me. Yet, I will not let other's perceptions of me dictate how I should live my life.

Andy Spalding wrote:

Brenna wrote: I would ask though, how many times do you offer your hand for same bite?

I am a Tyr's man. Through and through. I am the kind of guy that offers it till they bite it off. One Who gives till there is nothing left to give for that they deem worthy.

True, Andy. But Tyr still only allowed the one bite. And even that was merely a show of trust; to make good on a bargain.

**edit** - I should read the whole thread before replying. I am, however, interested in this off-topic topic, so I will be creating a new thread to discuss it in a neutral manner, without referring to any specific events in the past or present.

To knowingly allow the other gods to trick Fenrir, no less.

Angelus Kalen wrote: On behalf of the community of which Hannigan is a knight, I would like to offer a formal apology. I agree that his behavior towards others was not acceptable. We do not condone insults nor belittlement. However, I do think Hannigan was judged a bit harshly, perhaps due to his past. I always encourage the free exchange of ideas. Though they must be done in a respectful manner. Nevertheless, as one who believes in having a safe, learning environment, his presence at this site would cause a disruption to those seeking serious study. I sincerely hope that this incident does not mar the relationship between our two organizations. I hope for our continual support of each other.

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Andy Spalding wrote: I am reminded of a quote about mouths writing checks hind ends have to cash. I fully support the harshest of punishments for those who I speak in favor when they cannot behave themselves.

As a member of the group he reps, I saw Hannigan being belligerent. I also saw people egging him on. that said, knights should know better.

I am totally in favor of a strict and harsh punishment for a knight who cannot behave themselves.

Also, he is aware of this misdeed and is remorseful.

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Andy Spalding wrote: Can and certainly does. Passions run high when it comes to how we view the way. I have spoken with Mr. Hannigan Personally and he is indeed remorseful, and wanting to reestablish communication. He is willing to accept censure and move forward. However, he can and will speak for himself in these regards.

Instead of unification and consolidated direction, let us first strive for mutual inclusion. Us and them is not the way things should be. We should build on our commonalities first then, when our differences are not so raw, we can seek to bring our paths closer together.

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There's small Revenge in Words, but Words may be greatly revenged.
-Benjamin Franklin

He who angers you conquers you.
-Elizabeth Kenny

Mr. Hannigan's account is active and re-enabled.

Welcome back, Mr Hannigan.

That was....quick. O'well, was nice while it lasted...

This topic was so sweet. Interesting to see what others say about people who can not speak for themselves and more interesting how people take little responsibility for their own words and choose to blame others.

Love and Light

This is where you decide to renew your posting?

In such a way to invite certain responses no less...

Have you learned nothing?

MJ Hannigan wrote: This topic was so sweet. Interesting to see what others say about people who can not speak for themselves and more interesting how people take little responsibility for their own words and choose to blame others.

Love and Light

Hannigan. A Knight is above this.

*bows*

Khaos wrote: This is where you decide to renew your posting?

In such a way to invite certain responses no less...

Have you learned nothing?

This was a topic about me. I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments. As I am always thankful for your comments as it pertains to me. It was a refreshing break, and a needed one.