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J. K., if you are going to do this in public, why not go all the way and just tell me to "go away" directly? Not sure how I provoked you or what other wrong I did, but please, if you're going to be hostile for no reason, at least make it worth the bother.

Gisteron wrote: J. K., if you are going to do this in public, why not go all the way and just tell me to "go away" directly? Not sure how I provoked you or what other wrong I did, but please, if you're going to be hostile for no reason, at least make it worth the bother.

The gaslighting here is so transparent. You leave a sarcastic, unkind, and otherwise unhelpful reply, and when the recipient responds with a respectful but firm rebuttal, you accuse him of being the aggressor. What's more, you tried to make me look stupid, when it was perfectly obvious that I only meant to point out his meaning. You are a manipulator and a troll, treating others with disrespect in an effort to feel intellectually and morally superior. What forum behavior could go further against Jedi values than that?

You are not going to agree with everything that every single person posts on this website. Such is the nature of a Jedi community, and indeed, life. Whether or not you like or agree with something does not mean it is not valuable to that person or to others. Why not simply allow people to experience and discuss what is useful and meaningful to them on their path, and spend your energy investing in your own?

lightscribe wrote: You leave a sarcastic, unkind, and otherwise unhelpful reply, and when the recipient responds with a respectful but firm rebuttal, you accuse him of being the aggressor.

My reply was not sarcastic at all. I just pointed out that good portions of this post has been made before, and that nothing else came from the account since then, not even on that topic. The "recipient" didn't respond to any of their old thread, nor did they respond here, let alone with any kind of rebuttal. Instead, a completely different person (unless I'm missing some information here), namely J. K., elected to tell me to "quit trolling".

What's more, you tried to make me look stupid, when it was perfectly obvious that I only meant to point out his meaning.

I disagree about that being what I tried, and I am sorry if that is how you ended up feeling because of what I said. Sure, I knew exactly what was meant by "hZ". My intention was not to find out, but to point out that this is mindless spam, not any kind of attempt at helping anyone with magical frequencies. Now, again, granted, maybe this was already well evident to everybody anyway, and maybe I was indeed wasting my time pointing out the obvious. But I don't feel like apologizing for that, seeing as no hurt or harm came from it.

You are a manipulator and a troll, treating others with disrespect in an effort to feel intellectually and morally superior. What forum behavior could go further against Jedi values than that?

That is not for me to decide. I've seen my share of things here that I wouldn't associate with Jedi values either, but what can we do...

You are not going to agree with everything that every single person posts on this website. Such is the nature of a Jedi community, and indeed, life. Whether or not you like or agree with something does not mean it is not valuable to that person or to others. Why not simply allow people to experience and discuss what is useful and meaningful to them on their path, and spend your energy investing in your own?

I did not say what ought or ought not be meaningful or useful to anyone, nor did I do anything to stop anybody from discussing it, not in April, and not today. In fact - unlike the OP - I was happy to discuss it with everyone, brief though that discussion was.


In that spirit: What's your opinion about this sort of music and the "healing frequencies" it allegedly possesses (eventhough you can check with some ease how the frequencies listed barely even show up in the tune to any great extent)? Why not simply commence with discussing the actual topic (again), rather than waste any time on attempts to disinvite a user like myself for no reason at all?

This discussion isn't gaslighting at all.

Spending 30 seconds can go to prove that this guy did post a very similar link to a YouTube clip with a very similar text description.

If someone is making quantitative claims about something, I don't feel it's in poor form to question the legitimacy of their claims if it has a consistent error like "hZ" even though that's a bit pedantic because we all damn well can figure out what OP meant.

On a more serious note, this same message splash and set of links have been posted to a wide variety of forums (several of which are under the username flexibility), so this guy's behavior is looking like either nimrod socialism-level spam or advertising in terms of YouTube watches

If I may be so bold as to speak on this? I'd rather not see a thread locking (fear not, I have no authority, just trying to be the voice of reason), but, perhaps you all need to take a step back and breath? Let's be pragmatic, here.

Gisteron, it's all too easy to interpret your initial tone as hostile; as we all know, tone doesn't translate well in text, and if you meant no harm/weren't coming in to derail and disrupt, say so and move on, maybe? We're all just a little too quick to getting defensive and lashing out. Nobody is going to tell you everybody has to like what you have to say (I won't, anyway), but you would still be well advised to be mindful of what you say, as well as what you do. If your not looking to stir up trouble or start beef, maybe think about the outcome of your words and choose them carefully? If you don't like what someone has to share in temple, if you think it's wrong for the temple, well, there's a system in place, and it can't work if you don't let it: use the system, go through the channels, rather than "attacking" with snide remarks. At the end of the day, though? Just don't get involved in threads you don't want any part of.

J.K., lightbringer, let's not pile-on, ok? This consistently doesn't solve anything, least of all here. If you're so convinced Gisteron is a troll, ignore him, he'll get bored and leave. I don't think that's what's going, though. None-the-less, if you think something genuinely wrong is being done, I refer again to the system we have in place: The machine can't work if the cogs don't mesh, and it won't get started if you don't set it in motion. Report it, and move on. We are not here to police each other, nor are we expected to. We a have a segment of the staff tasked with enforcing the rules, so that we all can just focus on our own studies and experiences here.

This is not a negativity free place, necessarily, no place is, and we have a system in place for maintaining some semblance of order, so let's not act like it's 4-chan and the mod's are asleep, ok?

What if ... we just acted without need of guidance or direction- Kinna like we already knew what was up? Hmm -

For every Jem I find here I had to dig thru rock. Not that rock is bad for me it’s just some times we all don’t have the same value on things and ideas. That’s ok too- one of the biggest obstacles in a Jeddist life I have found is can I continue to perform or act or be me or do my thing ( can I be my Jedi) - when no one else is? 7billion and climbing and not one fingerprint is the same.... and we are supposed to think we all are gunna vibe all the time? No way ! It’s like trying to harness lighting ... with a hanger ... and speaker wire - good luck! (Jokingly)

I honestly can't say if the original post in this thread has merit or not. I can appreciate that music conveys energy that influences us, with the potential to be either profoundly uplifting and expanding or oppressively degrading, depending upon the music. I do think that the assertions that the assertions about the various frequencies cited in the OP could use some explanation and support; I cannot tell if any of the related assertions are true or not.

That being said, it seems significantly unhelpful to fire back at the poster with charges of being nonsensical and unresponsive, and to pretend to not understand what was meant by "hZ". It may be that Flexibility posted the same thing in April and then forgot about it, so provided the video and a copy of the text that its creator added a second time without meaning to cause offense. I find it's usually better to give people the benefit of the doubt in a case like this. I know I've occasionally surprised myself by watching a video online and thinking "Hey, I really like this!" only to discover I'd commented on it years before and then forgot the video completely.

A helpful rule of netiquette: to the greatest extent possible, avoid using the word "you". It tends to divert conversations away from their original subject into a discussion about the merits and worth of the various participants.

It wasn't pretending to not know, it was an - admittedly sly and pedantic - way of pointing out that this isn't coming from a place of understanding of music or sound more broadly, because anyone who does would know how to spell the unit and perhaps mistype it once or twice, rather than nineteen or more times.
As for the benefit of the doubt... I did in April, I even obeyed the OP's plea to keep negativity away in my initial reply. What I can believe is that this was indeed posting a new thread and forgetting all about it. After all, they are posting it across half the bloody internet. Chances are good one would forget one site or another.
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/37749-19-powerful-frequency-tones-at-once-achieve-astral-projection-%E2%9C%9A-8d-ambisonic-audio/
http://forum.ragezone.com/f153/19-powerful-frequency-tones-achieve-1164500/?s=f65bfb3d47f9a60ff47439e50e5225eb#post8957783
https://www.reddit.com/r/futurebeats/comments/ck6zmg/19_powerful_frequency_tones_at_once_achieve/
http://damnlag.com/threads/19-powerful-frequency-tones-at-once-achieve-astral-projection-%E2%9C%9A-5-planetary-frequencies-8d-ambisonic-audio.97028/

One key reason why we do have such a far reaching patience for spam like this may be that we are to a fair extent a place of intellectual discourse, and we can treat things fairly and meritoriously, no matter who posts them or how sincere we think they are... Right?

Upon further reflection during the day, I have decided that I was too quick to act. While I did not find Gisteron's tone helpful, I did not contribute anything helpful either. I was too quick to act without knowing all the facts. I sincerely apologize to all involved, especially you, Gisteron. I hope that we can become friends, or at least civil acquaintances.

Thank you for your input, Kelrax. It was very helpful. (You did get my name wrong though )

lightscribe wrote: Upon further reflection during the day, I have decided that I was too quick to act. While I did not find Gisteron's tone helpful, I did not contribute anything helpful either. I was too quick to act without knowing all the facts. I sincerely apologize to all involved, especially you, Gisteron. I hope that we can become friends, or at least civil acquaintances.

Thank you for your input, Kelrax. It was very helpful. (You did get my name wrong though )

Sincere apologies; it wouldn't have been hard for me to check ^_^U

Brother, i am not advertising. I am not even making these videos. I want to share this with people to help them in infinite ways. I believe everyone can get some kind of benefit from this kind of music. I got many friends into meditating with this kind of music.
Im listening to these kind of audio tracks for 2 years already. They changed my life and perception many times. If you find the right kind of music it can really really enhance your meditation experiences. I know it does the magic for me. It really helps many people out there, you just need to give it a chance. For example isochronic tones are scientificaly proven to improve and change your brain waves. There are also binaural beats, here is one official study which i managed to find:
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4428073/

EDIT: i tried to quote, but it does not work for me somehow.
EDIT #2: Try this one, it has square isochronic tones, it should increase your alpha brain waves, they are called "relaxed but focused",

One can find very interesting you tube videos. A lot of the binaural ones help me - headache, back pain, etc. I appreciate you sharing the link. I will check it out. Some of them resonate for me, some not; all worth investigating.

Thank you for the post.

I'm eternally grateful that i came across another open minded person.
Thank you for your comment and im glad that you are into the sound healing world.
This kind of music can really help with many different things and improve different aspects of your life.

Was Gist's reply was deleted because he was right? It's hard to believe flexibility is genuinely trying to contribute to TotJO when he spams a boilerplate copy/paste post with a video link to multiple forum sites, while not participating in any other fashion.

You can be open-minded while still recognizing spam for what it is. The only reason these external links haven't been removed is because they are for "health benefits" and not blatantly pirated Russian horror films

From the rules section in the FAQ:

Do not spam with either posts, private messages (PMs) or in chat.

Do not advertise anything which is "for-profit" and do not use the Temple to promote non-Temple services.

Internet space is not the same as “real-life” space. If someone is irritating me online i really do have the ability to just ignore them. I think TOTJO even has a function for it iirc, not that i would use it.
To me it looks like Flexibility is spamming and i voiced my opinion. S/he wants play like s/he doesnt understand, fine; im prepared to just ignore Felixibility’s posts (it would be nice if theyd be kept to a single thread, at least).

Others choose to continue speaking and it seems to me that this is a choice they should be allowed to make. Flexibility is spamming. S/he doesnt have a journal or an introduction, has made no replies to anyone elses topics and has only opened topics to share links to binaural beats.

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/search?searchuser=Flexibility&childforums=1

Ive seen at least two people banned for spamming just jn the last week but for some reason, Flexibility gets a pass. Im not calling for a banning, necessarily. Id prefer for Flexibility to genuinely participate with us, instead. But in light of the actual factual history, Gist’s comments seem pretty reasonable to me. Now instead of banning the spammer, Gist’s post got deleted? Did one of his posts get deleted? It’s hard to imagine that Gisteron asking for his post to be deleted or even that he would approve of its deletion if asked. So im assuming if there was a deletion, one of the mods just deleted it of their own accord? Am i wrong to assume this (i certainly might be)? If there was a deletion could the person who did it please explain the rationale behind the decision?

Hang on, one of my posts was deleted? Where? When? Are you thinking of #345138 here? https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/meditation/122948-relaxing-music-for-meditation-productivity-sleep-with-healing-solfeggio-freque#345138
Because I can see it just fine still...

Did I forget I made one recently in this thread? Sheesh, I'm getting old! :laugh:

Touché, there's far more of these threads than I realized. It's like they're spam or something

Wow you guys are just trolls! You attack anyone with different ideas than yours. I thought jedi were about inclusiative aspects of all reality but you guys just take the cake!

I like this post for one! I will participate in a good way! How about you others try before you poo poo the idea.

Jediism is "inclusiative" to people who are genuinely involved. Inclusivity doesn't mean we need to agree with ideas that are obviously wrong or affirm people who aren't authentically involved in the discussion.

In these threadS I've bracketed out the actual discussion of whether or not the sounds do what the OP claims, almost solely for the purpose of preventing claims that I'm biased

Fyxe wrote: Wow you guys are just trolls! You attack anyone with different ideas than yours. I thought jedi were about inclusiative [sic] aspects of all reality but you guys just take the cake!

I like this post for one! I will participate in a good way! How about you others try before you poo poo the idea.

Bwahaha!

My dude! How about you try! Google for any tone generator online like https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ , type in 4096Hz and listen, and then come back and tell me that what you heard was even part of the meditation track in the OP.

There is no need to "poo-poo" all over the "idea". The music is fine. If it helps you meditate, more power to you. But if they are going to paste it all over the internet with claims of magical healing powers, then pardon me, but that's fair game. And if they will list some "magical" frequencies and allege that those are significantly present in the tune (even setting aside how pleasant or beneficial they are supposed to be), that, too, is not a matter of "liking" the thing (and its several copies) or not.

You say it quite correctly, Fyxe, we are inclusive of aspects of all reality. That doesn't oblige us to include any and all fantasy that is arguably not. And before this sounds overly exclusive, do keep in mind what sort of treatment nonsense like this would get anyplace else on the internet. Not only does this place let spam like this slide in the first place, here it gets to actually start discussions, even when the poster barely participates. We actually entertain this. I myself even defended it a few lines earlier saying that I can appreciate how the music linked might aid meditation. And yes, where most other places it'd get either ignored or mocked and ridiculed, here the most poo-poo-y thing that might happen is a genuine critical (one daresay intellectual) response. Oh, woe!

You say, with your usual confidence, based on a non sequitur rooted in your personal gut feeling, that God clearly, as a matter of fact, does not exist, yet when I say that the frequencies alleged to be significant parts of a tune are barely to be found in it discounting discretization effects, and we can show it, or that possibly they do not have healing powers that somehow kept evading medical research for decades, that's somehow unfair or unreasonable? Oh, please...