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4 years 7 months ago #340820 by Gisteron
J. K., if you are going to do this in public, why not go all the way and just tell me to "go away" directly? Not sure how I provoked you or what other wrong I did, but please, if you're going to be hostile for no reason, at least make it worth the bother.

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4 years 7 months ago #340821 by

Gisteron wrote: J. K., if you are going to do this in public, why not go all the way and just tell me to "go away" directly? Not sure how I provoked you or what other wrong I did, but please, if you're going to be hostile for no reason, at least make it worth the bother.


The gaslighting here is so transparent. You leave a sarcastic, unkind, and otherwise unhelpful reply, and when the recipient responds with a respectful but firm rebuttal, you accuse him of being the aggressor. What's more, you tried to make me look stupid, when it was perfectly obvious that I only meant to point out his meaning. You are a manipulator and a troll, treating others with disrespect in an effort to feel intellectually and morally superior. What forum behavior could go further against Jedi values than that?

You are not going to agree with everything that every single person posts on this website. Such is the nature of a Jedi community, and indeed, life. Whether or not you like or agree with something does not mean it is not valuable to that person or to others. Why not simply allow people to experience and discuss what is useful and meaningful to them on their path, and spend your energy investing in your own?

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4 years 7 months ago - 4 years 7 months ago #340822 by Gisteron

lightscribe wrote: You leave a sarcastic, unkind, and otherwise unhelpful reply, and when the recipient responds with a respectful but firm rebuttal, you accuse him of being the aggressor.

My reply was not sarcastic at all. I just pointed out that good portions of this post has been made before, and that nothing else came from the account since then, not even on that topic. The "recipient" didn't respond to any of their old thread, nor did they respond here, let alone with any kind of rebuttal. Instead, a completely different person (unless I'm missing some information here), namely J. K., elected to tell me to "quit trolling".


What's more, you tried to make me look stupid, when it was perfectly obvious that I only meant to point out his meaning.

I disagree about that being what I tried, and I am sorry if that is how you ended up feeling because of what I said. Sure, I knew exactly what was meant by "hZ". My intention was not to find out, but to point out that this is mindless spam, not any kind of attempt at helping anyone with magical frequencies. Now, again, granted, maybe this was already well evident to everybody anyway, and maybe I was indeed wasting my time pointing out the obvious. But I don't feel like apologizing for that, seeing as no hurt or harm came from it.


You are a manipulator and a troll, treating others with disrespect in an effort to feel intellectually and morally superior. What forum behavior could go further against Jedi values than that?

That is not for me to decide. I've seen my share of things here that I wouldn't associate with Jedi values either, but what can we do...


You are not going to agree with everything that every single person posts on this website. Such is the nature of a Jedi community, and indeed, life. Whether or not you like or agree with something does not mean it is not valuable to that person or to others. Why not simply allow people to experience and discuss what is useful and meaningful to them on their path, and spend your energy investing in your own?

I did not say what ought or ought not be meaningful or useful to anyone, nor did I do anything to stop anybody from discussing it, not in April, and not today. In fact - unlike the OP - I was happy to discuss it with everyone, brief though that discussion was.


In that spirit: What's your opinion about this sort of music and the "healing frequencies" it allegedly possesses (eventhough you can check with some ease how the frequencies listed barely even show up in the tune to any great extent)? Why not simply commence with discussing the actual topic (again), rather than waste any time on attempts to disinvite a user like myself for no reason at all?

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4 years 7 months ago #340823 by Rex
This discussion isn't gaslighting at all.

Spending 30 seconds can go to prove that this guy did post a very similar link to a YouTube clip with a very similar text description.

If someone is making quantitative claims about something, I don't feel it's in poor form to question the legitimacy of their claims if it has a consistent error like "hZ" even though that's a bit pedantic because we all damn well can figure out what OP meant.

On a more serious note, this same message splash and set of links have been posted to a wide variety of forums (several of which are under the username flexibility), so this guy's behavior is looking like either nimrod socialism-level spam or advertising in terms of YouTube watches

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4 years 7 months ago - 4 years 7 months ago #340824 by
If I may be so bold as to speak on this? I'd rather not see a thread locking (fear not, I have no authority, just trying to be the voice of reason), but, perhaps you all need to take a step back and breath? Let's be pragmatic, here.

Gisteron, it's all too easy to interpret your initial tone as hostile; as we all know, tone doesn't translate well in text, and if you meant no harm/weren't coming in to derail and disrupt, say so and move on, maybe? We're all just a little too quick to getting defensive and lashing out. Nobody is going to tell you everybody has to like what you have to say (I won't, anyway), but you would still be well advised to be mindful of what you say, as well as what you do. If your not looking to stir up trouble or start beef, maybe think about the outcome of your words and choose them carefully? If you don't like what someone has to share in temple, if you think it's wrong for the temple, well, there's a system in place, and it can't work if you don't let it: use the system, go through the channels, rather than "attacking" with snide remarks. At the end of the day, though? Just don't get involved in threads you don't want any part of.

J.K., lightbringer, let's not pile-on, ok? This consistently doesn't solve anything, least of all here. If you're so convinced Gisteron is a troll, ignore him, he'll get bored and leave. I don't think that's what's going, though. None-the-less, if you think something genuinely wrong is being done, I refer again to the system we have in place: The machine can't work if the cogs don't mesh, and it won't get started if you don't set it in motion. Report it, and move on. We are not here to police each other, nor are we expected to. We a have a segment of the staff tasked with enforcing the rules, so that we all can just focus on our own studies and experiences here.

This is not a negativity free place, necessarily, no place is, and we have a system in place for maintaining some semblance of order, so let's not act like it's 4-chan and the mod's are asleep, ok?
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4 years 7 months ago #340826 by Carlos.Martinez3
What if ... we just acted without need of guidance or direction- Kinna like we already knew what was up? Hmm -

For every Jem I find here I had to dig thru rock. Not that rock is bad for me it’s just some times we all don’t have the same value on things and ideas. That’s ok too- one of the biggest obstacles in a Jeddist life I have found is can I continue to perform or act or be me or do my thing ( can I be my Jedi) - when no one else is? 7billion and climbing and not one fingerprint is the same.... and we are supposed to think we all are gunna vibe all the time? No way ! It’s like trying to harness lighting ... with a hanger ... and speaker wire - good luck! (Jokingly)

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4 years 7 months ago #340833 by
I honestly can't say if the original post in this thread has merit or not. I can appreciate that music conveys energy that influences us, with the potential to be either profoundly uplifting and expanding or oppressively degrading, depending upon the music. I do think that the assertions that the assertions about the various frequencies cited in the OP could use some explanation and support; I cannot tell if any of the related assertions are true or not.

That being said, it seems significantly unhelpful to fire back at the poster with charges of being nonsensical and unresponsive, and to pretend to not understand what was meant by "hZ". It may be that Flexibility posted the same thing in April and then forgot about it, so provided the video and a copy of the text that its creator added a second time without meaning to cause offense. I find it's usually better to give people the benefit of the doubt in a case like this. I know I've occasionally surprised myself by watching a video online and thinking "Hey, I really like this!" only to discover I'd commented on it years before and then forgot the video completely.

A helpful rule of netiquette: to the greatest extent possible, avoid using the word "you". It tends to divert conversations away from their original subject into a discussion about the merits and worth of the various participants.

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4 years 7 months ago #340837 by Gisteron
It wasn't pretending to not know, it was an - admittedly sly and pedantic - way of pointing out that this isn't coming from a place of understanding of music or sound more broadly, because anyone who does would know how to spell the unit and perhaps mistype it once or twice, rather than nineteen or more times.
As for the benefit of the doubt... I did in April, I even obeyed the OP's plea to keep negativity away in my initial reply. What I can believe is that this was indeed posting a new thread and forgetting all about it. After all, they are posting it across half the bloody internet. Chances are good one would forget one site or another.
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/37749-19-powerful-frequency-tones-at-once-achieve-astral-projection-%E2%9C%9A-8d-ambisonic-audio/
http://forum.ragezone.com/f153/19-powerful-frequency-tones-achieve-1164500/?s=f65bfb3d47f9a60ff47439e50e5225eb#post8957783
https://www.reddit.com/r/futurebeats/comments/ck6zmg/19_powerful_frequency_tones_at_once_achieve/
http://damnlag.com/threads/19-powerful-frequency-tones-at-once-achieve-astral-projection-%E2%9C%9A-5-planetary-frequencies-8d-ambisonic-audio.97028/

One key reason why we do have such a far reaching patience for spam like this may be that we are to a fair extent a place of intellectual discourse, and we can treat things fairly and meritoriously, no matter who posts them or how sincere we think they are... Right?

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4 years 6 months ago #340847 by
Upon further reflection during the day, I have decided that I was too quick to act. While I did not find Gisteron's tone helpful, I did not contribute anything helpful either. I was too quick to act without knowing all the facts. I sincerely apologize to all involved, especially you, Gisteron. I hope that we can become friends, or at least civil acquaintances. :)

Thank you for your input, Kelrax. It was very helpful. (You did get my name wrong though :))

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4 years 6 months ago #340851 by

lightscribe wrote: Upon further reflection during the day, I have decided that I was too quick to act. While I did not find Gisteron's tone helpful, I did not contribute anything helpful either. I was too quick to act without knowing all the facts. I sincerely apologize to all involved, especially you, Gisteron. I hope that we can become friends, or at least civil acquaintances. :)

Thank you for your input, Kelrax. It was very helpful. (You did get my name wrong though :))


Sincere apologies; it wouldn't have been hard for me to check ^_^U

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