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Of note: there is no disconnect between Force Realist and Jediism because Kediism is a Force Realist Movement. The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism and Jediism.

^Yup.

I tried to make that clear in my PM to Brenna as well.

ren wrote: 1. there are limits in place preventing you from editing. Personally I am opposed to them.
2. Nothing to do with ignorance/knowledge. It's about not giving exposure to things we do not support, in this specific case, to things that are hostile to us.

1. True. Thanks for the reminder.
2. Personally, I don't agree with this methodology. But, I respect the council's decision on that.

(900th post! Who hoo!)

Alethea Thompson wrote: Of note: there is no disconnect between Force Realist and Jediism because Kediism is a Force Realist Movement. The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism and Jediism.

Geez, can we subdivide the community some more?

Im assuming "kediism" is a typo? Or is this some crazy new thing?

haha, Jestor. You don't have to use the terms if you don't want to. For some, it helps to keep the philosophical distinctions separate in our heads so we know how to communicate across the community. Different places require different styles of communication.

You wouldn't advertise a work out program to a couch potato the same way you would to a professional runner. Just to be clear, that's completely unrelated to this post. I'm not trying to imply I was advertising. It was just on my mind since we've been talking about it.

ren wrote: Brenna, Opie has written a couple of articles here and there about how jediism is a pile of rubbish. google is your friend. (search "opie mcleod jediism")

Thank you, already on it.




Thank you Alethea, Connor's been very clear in his explaination of each.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Of note: there is no disconnect between Force Realist and Jediism because Kediism is a Force Realist Movement. The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism and Jediism.

I'm helping derail a lot of threads lately :S

Could it be more correct to say "The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism from Jediism.". I always get confused there because my Jediism is very much based around pragmatism, at least in my own way. It's because Jedi Pragmaticism excludes what it calls religious elements isnt it? I'm not saying pragmaticism didnt originate on its own seperate from Jediism or anything, just that the only distinction is made by exclusion by the Jedi Pragmatic as opposed to inclusion by Jediism. Each to there own, stop thinking out loud Adder....

The term was specifically designed to put Opie Macleod in a corner where we could box it up and throw it in the back...

hahahah.

But, seriously, the term was specifically designed by the Community to distinguish Opie's radical ideologies about being a Jedi. In his eyes, the only "Jedi" are those that adhere to the ideals he sets forth. So, he doesn't recognize Jedi Pragmatism. You can see how it would be confusing if we said "Jedi" and it means different things to different people. It's easier for us to create large categories to at LEAST help us understand the vast disparities within the community.

Pragmatism was assigned because it puts little emphasis on internal contemplation (inaction as action, defined by Buddhism), and much more on Boy Scout level action.

Adder wrote: Could it be more correct to say "The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism from Jediism.". I always get confused there because my Jediism is very much based around pragmatism, at least in my own way. It's because Jedi Pragmaticism excludes what it calls religious elements isnt it? I'm not saying pragmaticism didnt originate on its own seperate from Jediism or anything, just that the only distinction is made by exclusion by the Jedi Pragmatic as opposed to inclusion by Jediism. Each to there own, stop thinking out loud Adder....

LOl, you and I seem to share a talent for derailing.

I am curious though, if Pragmaticism removes the religious or spiritual elements then how does it relate back to the Jedi? Surely thats just "being a good and helpful person"? I was under the impression that the Jedi movement became more than simply a joke on the census because of a desire to find an intersecting point between faiths that mimiced the beliefs and actions of fictional Jedi. A modern spiritual warrior for lack of a better term.

Or have I totally missed something

hee hee. Brenna... I have a surprise for you in your inbox.