Hellenic Pagan Jedi?

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And you quit trying to tell people how to identify themselves...

You can debate the topic, via post or PM all you like...

But you have the right to your opinion, but not tell people they are wrong...

MAybe ask for clarification, and afterwards, you might agree with there self definition... Then again, you may not....[/quote]

Thank You!

We all have our own direction with our view of what is Jedi, or even remotely Jedi related. I don't believe young Sid truly meant offence. It is the nature of our community to be individual...

Sid appears to use shock and drama to get attention? He does seem to have mellowed out a bit. He certainly has a sharp and dynamic brain.

He has...

Now, lets keep this thread on topic..

Jestor wrote:

sidvkili wrote: please stop saying pagan... you're hellenic, you're a polytheist, you hold to a structured belief. You aren't pagan. The word meant not of said belief, just not. Not christian for christians. Not muslim for muslims or jew for jew. Kermetic etc etc.

You aren't saying anything when you say "pagan".

And you quit trying to tell people how to identify themselves...

You can debate the topic, via post or PM all you like...

But you have the right to your opinion, but not tell people they are wrong...

MAybe ask for clarification, and afterwards, you might agree with there self definition... Then again, you may not....

I wasn't refering to opinion or self understanding. I was refering to history and practice. I really like what Lykeios writes... hellenic shit is awesome.

The word pagan basically means "I'm an stupid murderer and rapist and I'm always wrong". Something seen in plenty of... ah screw it..

sidvkili wrote: The word pagan basically means "I'm an stupid murderer and rapist and I'm always wrong". Something seen in plenty of... ah screw it..

LOL please tell me you're joking.

Kamizu wrote:

sidvkili wrote: The word pagan basically means "I'm an stupid murderer and rapist and I'm always wrong". Something seen in plenty of... ah screw it..

LOL please tell me you're joking.

it's in hellenic writings for crying out loud. The quran and the bible associate the practice in a similar manner.

What people seem to think paganism is, it's polytheism or just spirituality lol. And I ain't getting into italic and kermetic roots right now but if you asked an italic of hellene what a pagan was or if they were pagan, they would probably tell you "nope".

Oh and I know you've done some research into paganism but you yourself said it was wicca.... and who am I to argue with such an obvious expert?

sidvkili wrote: it's in hellenic writings for crying out loud. The quran and the bible associate the practice in a similar manner.

What people seem to think paganism is, it's polytheism or just spirituality lol. And I ain't getting into italic and kermetic roots right now but if you asked an italic of hellene what a pagan was or if they were pagan, they would probably tell you "nope".

Oh and I know you've done some research into paganism but you yourself said it was wicca.... and who am I to argue with such an obvious expert?

I have found that other religions' views of religions not of their own to be quite unreliable. I'm hardly an expert LOL there's little I can claim as being an expert on, however I've been looking into both Wicca and and even more into Shamanism, both fall under the Pagan hierarchy. Just as in all other religions, people make up the body of Paganism. And when people do bad things and they are associated with a group, the whole group gets a bad name. I'm sure there were and are bad Pagans out there who practice the dark arts. Just as there are bad Christians who give Christianity a bad name. When Christianity tried to take over, they turned the word "Pagan" into a curse, and the word "Heathen" into 'non believer'. They also adapted many many Pagan holidays and traditions into Christianity to convert more people. So it's never a good idea to believe a religion from the word of another So far, I've found Paganism to be a worship of the life and the Force around you.

I know a few Pagans who worship Greek deities. Now what would make a person Hellenic, I have no idea. I just know it's associated with Greece.

But all that aside, there's nothing wrong with taking pieces of 'warring' religions, associating yourself with them, and holding close what you find sacred. It may be a little bit of an oxymoron title but it is what it is!

Jestor wrote: He has...

Now, lets keep this thread on topic..

Sorry! I missed this....shutting up :silly:

Kamizu wrote:

sidvkili wrote: it's in hellenic writings for crying out loud. The quran and the bible associate the practice in a similar manner.

What people seem to think paganism is, it's polytheism or just spirituality lol. And I ain't getting into italic and kermetic roots right now but if you asked an italic of hellene what a pagan was or if they were pagan, they would probably tell you "nope".

Oh and I know you've done some research into paganism but you yourself said it was wicca.... and who am I to argue with such an obvious expert?

I have found that other religions' views of religions not of their own to be quite unreliable. I'm hardly an expert LOL there's little I can claim as being an expert on, however I've been looking into both Wicca and and even more into Shamanism, both fall under the Pagan hierarchy. Just as in all other religions, people make up the body of Paganism. And when people do bad things and they are associated with a group, the whole group gets a bad name. I'm sure there were and are bad Pagans out there who practice the dark arts. Just as there are bad Christians who give Christianity a bad name. When Christianity tried to take over, they turned the word "Pagan" into a curse, and the word "Heathen" into 'non believer'. They also adapted many many Pagan holidays and traditions into Christianity to convert more people. So it's never a good idea to believe a religion from the word of another So far, I've found Paganism to be a worship of the life and the Force around you.

I know a few Pagans who worship Greek deities. Now what would make a person Hellenic, I have no idea. I just know it's associated with Greece.

But all that aside, there's nothing wrong with taking pieces of 'warring' religions, associating yourself with them, and holding close what you find sacred. It may be a little bit of an oxymoron title but it is what it is!

this is usually the common view but pagan was a curse before christianity lol. Again it's in both hebrew and hellenic writings.

Paganism isn't the worship of life. Paganism isn't the sacred reverence of a greek tradition, egyptian, roman etc etc.
Paganism is not that.. It isn't nothing per se ( it has something) but it's not hellenic or Kermetic. It's just "not"...

When I said the line on rapists it was a joke yes lol. that was the view of the hebrews and persians on what they deemed "pagan". To make it a tad bit softer, pagan meant "stranger".

Oh an there is no pagan body. My point is paganism is different to anything people here seem to associate themselves with.

The only "religion" that can make a claim "we're pagan" is wicca.....and... well yeah... wicca