TOTJO Certificate template test

There are also clergy ID cards as well yes. Mark is the only one I know who has one. There are also business cards and pins of which I have quite a few of. I believe Mark was working on making a better version of the certificates and Damion would have his degree one except Mark spilt water all over it one night in a live video chat

better version? The current certificates seem pretty awesome already

Akkarin wrote: There are also clergy ID cards as well yes. Mark is the only one I know who has one. There are also business cards and pins of which I have quite a few of. I believe Mark was working on making a better version of the certificates and Damion would have his degree one except Mark spilt water all over it one night in a live video chat

actually, i have one too...though it expired in september, but i still have it...and the certificate...which expired on the same date as the id....i need to renew them...both are really cool, though i think i'll use a different pic for the id when i renew it....

DAAMM!

my ID card expired 10/31/2012
also the clerical certificate expired 31st oct 2012

is there any new IDs around, or who is control of this now?

scans are too big, so here a couple of pics

lol, mine did too...

We are trying to iron this out now...

I understand an expiration day in an ID...

But in the certificate...

When available, please let me know, I like to order new ones.

and also what happen with the store? (off-topic)

http://www.cafepress.com/totjo

Expires in case you... uh... lol, I wondered myself...

We should have a "contact us" for status of membership...

Active, inactive, suspended, excommunicated...etc, etc...

Why are there expiration dates? With the exception of Licensed Minister, clerical titles are irrevocable, aren't they? So why would the certificates expire?

As for someone in the States who would make and ship certificates, I'd volunteer if I knew better what I'd have to do. I could see there being an issue with me mailing them out to people, since I don't have clearance to access addresses.

An expiration date on a certificate can be good if the holder of said certificate should have his credentials revoked for whatever reason. Then he/she wouldn't be able to renew it and wouldn't be able to exploit the certificate. Most people will upon seeing a certificate never even think about verifying its authenticity in any way so an excommunicated minister (an example) could seriously hurt the image of the Temple if feeling vengeful and equipped with an old certificate.

Calem wrote: An expiration date on a certificate can be good if the holder of said certificate should have his credentials revoked for whatever reason. Then he/she wouldn't be able to renew it and wouldn't be able to exploit the certificate. Most people will upon seeing a certificate never even think about verifying its authenticity in any way so an excommunicated minister (an example) could seriously hurt the image of the Temple if feeling vengeful and equipped with an old certificate.

That's a very good point... though it would have to be balanced between this and our willingness to pay greater costs