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8 years 1 month ago #205062
by Gisteron
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Well, in that case I'm afraid there is a number of human schools of moral thought that reject your version of morality. I myself do not believe in something right and wrong absolute from the subject or the object or the consequences in the short or the long term. Absolutely right and absolutely wrong are meaningless concepts to me as they are to almost the entire rest of moral philosophy prior to the beginning and eversince the end of the dark ages. Even Kant, the posterchild for deontological ethics, wouldn't stop at "right, period" or "wrong, period" like you would have us think religion does and thank it for it.
If that is what you expect monkeys to have, I'm sorry to disappoint with my example of a recognition of undeserved inequality. Just keep in mind that humans fail that expectation of yours, too; some, in fact, like myself, believe that a morality of the kind that you are suggesting is not only primitive but also immoral. I would even go so far as to say that religion has far more to offer than that, but you are welcome to your cucumbers anyway.
If that is what you expect monkeys to have, I'm sorry to disappoint with my example of a recognition of undeserved inequality. Just keep in mind that humans fail that expectation of yours, too; some, in fact, like myself, believe that a morality of the kind that you are suggesting is not only primitive but also immoral. I would even go so far as to say that religion has far more to offer than that, but you are welcome to your cucumbers anyway.
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8 years 1 month ago #205109
by OB1Shinobi
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when is it morally right to rape and murder a five yr old
when you factor intent and victimization into the question there is a line that can be drawn - the question only "how to articulate it"
when you factor intent and victimization into the question there is a line that can be drawn - the question only "how to articulate it"
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8 years 1 month ago #205133
by Gisteron
Where did I say that there are either thinkable or existing circumstances in which raping or murdering children is permissible? I do not recall.
Yes, there are lines that can be drawn. What you suggest though is a morality that does not factor anything in but instead just declares what ought and ought not be done - one that is absolute, i.e. absolved from all consideration and thought and immune to criticism or discussion.
The moment you begin actually thinking about those questions and factoring things in and being concerned with the subjects or the objects of actions or the consequences, you have joined my side of the debate and I'm glad to finally welcome you on it.
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OB1Shinobi wrote: when is it morally right to rape and murder a five yr old
Gisteron wrote: I myself do not believe in something right and wrong absolute from the subject or the object or the consequences in the short or the long term.
Where did I say that there are either thinkable or existing circumstances in which raping or murdering children is permissible? I do not recall.
Yes, there are lines that can be drawn. What you suggest though is a morality that does not factor anything in but instead just declares what ought and ought not be done - one that is absolute, i.e. absolved from all consideration and thought and immune to criticism or discussion.
The moment you begin actually thinking about those questions and factoring things in and being concerned with the subjects or the objects of actions or the consequences, you have joined my side of the debate and I'm glad to finally welcome you on it.
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