TotJO Logo Design

Jestor wrote: The body of the background is not the TOTJO symbol...

Using your green/yellow example, the green car is not a part of the symbol....

That's exactly what I'm saying, actually. The interplay of dark and light, from a graphics and artistic perception, is about the interplay of positive and negative space (which, honestly, i think makes a more profound philosophical statement, personally) and less about the actual colors, I think.

Also, if you said the circle was necessary. then questions will arise about whether or not it has a border, and how thick the border is, and/or you're stuck with that color combination (black/white), which means that the lovely art 666 did that we enjoy (the black/gold) is good, but it's not the logo.

Furthermore, I love the circle for aesthetic purposes (and vastly prefer to use it), but I object to it as a philosophical representation. In religious/spiritual/esoteric/etc. symbolism (and symbology, though the two are different), circles are seen as limiters. Circles are typically seen as spiritual boundaries, dividing what's inside them from what's outside them. This could take many forms--in our case, it could be misinterpreted to be limiting the power of the Force, set boundaries on an infinite universe, project an "us v. them" ideology to non-members rather than our actual inclusive nature--and I don't think any of those are really representative of Jediism.

that said, these are just my opinions.

And, that is my point...

The circle separates the symbol, from the car...

And correct, I've never considered the black/gold as the symbol...

It is just an artistic interpretation...

One I happen to like...

Also, just my opinion....

The circle is part of the symbol.

Br. John wrote: The circle is part of the symbol.

Sweet, an official answer! I do have a few questions about this, though:

• Can we continue to use it without the circle in unofficial formats, such as the header bar?
• What do we do when the black circle goes on a dark background?
  • Do we invert the colors?
    • If so, is it still the same symbol?
    • If not, must we still draw the circle?
  • Do we give it a border?
    • If so, does the border become part of the logo?
    • How thick should the border be in relation to the rest of the circle?
  • Do we ignore it, or assume it's there, even if we can't see it?
• How do we handle it if it's monochrome? (true monochrome, only one color, not contrasting, like, if we were embossing it, or making paper cutouts, or what-have-you) Do we circle back to the border questions?

I'm all for the official verdict on this, but it does raise some other interesting design questions, in my opinion.

Jestor wrote: The circle separates the symbol, from the car...

I can live with that.

It's not just the contrast but the separation from the object that is being achieved keeping the emblem sacred from a common item. Cool.

There's all sorts of artistic interpretations. There's nothing wrong with them and much to be said for them. The Councillor's badge does not even use the official logo and neither does the banner at the top of this webpage. They're still our logo. I'm only saying the original concept was in a circle. If it's against a black background there can be a white circle to set it off thick enough to see but not so wide as to look bad.

Br. John wrote: There's all sorts of artistic interpretations. There's nothing wrong with them and much to be said for them. The Councillor's badge does not even use the official logo and neither does the banner at the top of this webpage. They're still our logo. I'm only saying the original concept was in a circle. If it's against a black background there can be a white circle to set it off thick enough to see but not so wide as to look bad.

Awesome. Thanks for the input!

steamboat28 wrote:

Br. John wrote: The circle is part of the symbol.

Sweet, an official answer!

What, my answer wasn't good enough?

"I get no respect" ~Rodney Dangerfield~

:lol:..

Jestor wrote: What, my answer wasn't good enough?

Jestor wrote: ...but, unless Br. John corrects me, or I find evidence in the archives...

Seems like you were waiting on his answer, yerself, in a way. :whistle:

Stupid quotes..

:lol:...