Sith Realist Resources

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Manu - my manu- I miss u. Hope you find or are finding what you have been seeking.

I’m right here, bro.

Carlos
I am not sure I understand what you think is happening.
But I asked about the Sith because I think it is worth understanding.
Here I can ask and maybe learn about stuff, I find interesting.
This isnt connor or anyone else but about wanting to find an understanding because I think both sides of the coin is needed to see the whole picture.

elizabeth wrote: Carlos
I am not sure I understand what you think is happening.
But I asked about the Sith because I think it is worth understanding.
Here I can ask and maybe learn about stuff, I find interesting.
This isnt connor or anyone else but about wanting to find an understanding because I think both sides of the coin is needed to see the whole picture.

Feel free but also understand that there are web sites you can go to on your own. Sith vs the Temple is a harmful thing.

Edit: to learn about the Sith visit a sith site- please don’t ask here in a Jedi Temple. That’s not what we do.

It’s bad form and it can harm more than anything. This is only my opinion but there is more going on that this I promise you. This is teaching flat out. We expressly ask not to shunn around the rules and it will result in the same results as breaking the rules. You think that out of respect - if one person asks another person not to , they would - instead of insisting on continuing? Not the case here. The Associate Pastor of the Temple request you not —-but notice ... this will continue. So , I understand what this is. Trust me. Should you continue is up to you. Thank you for your time.

Carlos, you're either mistaken or pushing an agenda. Please clarify which it is.

I have been to other websites and been burned badly.
Here I though it would be at least less harmful to get an idea about resources.
But as I re read this thread I can understand where you are coming from and it could seem that through discussion of things such as the code I am learning.
However this was not the intention, but then we learn through many avenues. Discussion just one of them.
If I have broken any rules I apologise and will continue my thoughts via my journal.
If anyone wishes to comment their please feel free to do so.
Thank you

I believe you haven't been attacked at all here, elizabeth. Sorry if you feel that way. We're all just chatting.

I would like to vouch for Manu and Connor to confirm that their intentions are non-malicious.

My idea of a Jedi includes the trait of being open to listen without judgement and to drive with honest questions when feeling concerned about what they are hearing, for the intention of clearing any reason to be concerned or help confirm it for sure.

Gathering a Jedi's thoughts on the sith's way of seeing things I think can be quite valuable as long as it stays understood what is being explained.

I really appreciate that, Pro. Thank you.

Perhaps we can come back to thoughts on the Code, as it were? I will put up another resource in another couple of days.

In my opinion the Sith crave power for it's own sake, external power, power over others and an attempt to not feel helpless, as a defense mechanism, or to feel superior. I'm sure there are other reasons, and it's a reflex, its the other side of a coin and the down to up. They believe they will be rewarded for the force, materially.

I feel Jedi-ism is seeking internal power for it's own sake. for union with the Force. It's linking up with the divine and trying to do the thing that is most harmonious.
Not power over another, or a situation, but power over your own reactions and responses. If you're looking for any spiritual path for material gain, IMO it's all in vain.

I'm not saying one is bad or wrong, just that one seems more driven to control and exalt the ego, whereas the other is trying to dissolve the ego and merge with the divine energies, whatever you may call them.

Someone may ask then why choose one over another? I think the question is really what are you trying to accomplish in general?

There is good and evil in all of us, positive and negative and it's all divine expression that we can ACT like we understand but do not. No one does.
We don't even know what we are actually made of. All we can do is try our best and IMO Sith is not the best we can do, for reasons stated above.
Focusing on either the too negative or too positive can be detrimental even for Jedi.

That being said, l lean towards the light, some lean towards the dark. We all need each other, there IS no up without down, shrugs.

Meh - -my 2 cents.

As a mechanism (working model); having two natures, a spatial frame and a temporal frame to allow connection to it through time as a concept, to employ and to measure results and refine;

Spatial Frame - Teeth;
Charge (Essence) - Peace is a lie, there is only passion. ~ there is always conflict somewhere, its just that when its non-violent it happens to be consensual (in a manner of speaking).

Orbit (Path) - Through passion, I gain strength. ~ conflict is the interaction of competing forces ie resistance, which enables growth.

Spin (Nature) - Through strength, I gain power. ~ literal, strength gives a capability improvement.

Temporal Frame - Tongue;
Charge (Essence) - Through power, I gain victory. ~ victory over, question frame.

Orbit (Path) - Through victory, my chains are broken. ~ victory over, answer frame.

Spin (Nature) - The Force shall set me free. ~ modality of work.

In effect a pure focus on 'Force connection', perhaps relating back to the fiction in that it could be said to be devoid of morals or other conditions. In which case it might serve as a lens to target focused effort and reward purely about Force connection. That would be my guess. A contrasting Jedi view to that might argue that some morals are inherent in the essence of the Force, stuff like what is mentioned in the Jedi Doctrine maybe even taken as far as intrinsic mutualism in which case a selfish centered view of the Force might be a distortion and counterproductive in the longer run, albeit more rewarding potentially in the shorter term.... depending on how close one wants to sit with, and what parts of, the fiction.