I think i may be going over to the dark side

Well then, what's the difference between the Light side and the Dark side, because it's certaintly not good and evil.

You know I was thinking that there is no such thing as total darkness. The background radiation left over from the Big Bang is about three degrees over absolute zero. That's small true but we can measure it even though our eyes cannot see it.

In levels of light where a human would perceive only dark an owl or cat can see.

Nature will not tolerate nothingness either. Even in the emptiest of space there are still virtual particles appearing and disappearing relentlessly.

How do we know something is truly random? 4159265358 looks random until you realize it's the 2nd through the 11th digits of Pi.

Do flowers fly? Yes they do. Many species of flowering plants cannot reproduce without bees and the bees cannot live without the nectar so a bee is a much a part of a flower as its stem, leaves and roots!

Two dimensional thinking is where these problems arise.

The Force is doing just fine and it's perfect. Only when we try and bind it with limited knowledge and the limits of labels does it get confusing and argumentative.

Labels and measures are wonderful tools but terrible masters.

Angelus wrote:

Well then, what's the difference between the Light side and the Dark side, because it's certaintly not good and evil.

Disclaimer: I am untrained and not of the order.. yet. The following is an opinion and I'll admit to not reading the rest of the thread save for Br. John's last post above this one.

The difference between light and dark is hidden within personal intention. An action can be in the name of the greater good but if there's ignoble personal gain within your intention, then it is not of the \"light side\".

Now that's not to say that all personal gains are of the \"dark side\" either. Everyone benefits from the greater good. I'll spare you the lecture about the evolutionary development of ethics and why \"good\" and \"evil\" became descriptors according to mythological scholars and evolutionary sociologists. But know that if you do the right thing in the context of more than just yourself, in most cases you engender trust and ensure the society continues to survive.

Actions against those two basic things, either subtly or blatantly, lead towards a \"dark\" path.

Thanks and hopefully this helps
Tatsujin

Br. John wrote:

You know I was thinking that there is no such thing as total darkness. The background radiation left over from the Big Bang is about three degrees over absolute zero. That's small true but we can measure it even though our eyes cannot see it.

In levels of light where a human would perceive only dark an owl or cat can see.

Nature will not tolerate nothingness either. Even in the emptiest of space there are still virtual particles appearing and disappearing relentlessly.

How do we know something is truly random? 4159265358 looks random until you realize it's the 2nd through the 11th digits of Pi.

Do flowers fly? Yes they do. Many species of flowering plants cannot reproduce without bees and the bees cannot live without the nectar so a bee is a much a part of a flower as its stem, leaves and roots!

Two dimensional thinking is where these problems arise.

The Force is doing just fine and it's perfect. Only when we try and bind it with limited knowledge and the limits of labels does it get confusing and argumentative.

Labels and measures are wonderful tools but terrible masters.

This post made me think. For me, thinking usually has mixed results

There's an old socratic/philosophy argument that goes something like this:

There are no absolutes.

(Problem is you just stated an absolute, thereby countering your argument).

There are no absolutes save the fact that there are no absolutes.

(Sounds nice in practice but to say that there are no absolutes save one still creates that absolute.)

When you think about it, logic dictates that there must be absolutes at some point in nature, but those points are temporary and thankfully elusive. \"The perfect annoyance\" would indeed be quite annoying if it lasted very long. The perfect Force no doubt exists, save for the fact that people are mucking about with it all the time, it's likely fickle since we don't understand it fully/never will, and the perfect thing would be so incredible that once people saw it they'd never strive for improvement any more.

We'd either be so awestruck into contrite abeyance never to try anything again or so enraptured with it that we'd never look outside again (kind of like World of Warcraft).. I jest. This obviously runs counter to about a hundred thousand years worth of technological innovation and the general concept of evolution.

Ultimately, it's these types of issues lacking congruence, that eventually lead to all things we don't like and strive to improve upon.

I'm sure there are other ways to look at your post as well. Quantum Theory comes to mind, but I'm not a physicist (yet) and not qualified to wax poetic in that direction.

Still, good stuff Br. John

Best,
3.14159265

it's funny that you mention quantum physics/mechanics as br. john has posted on that subject a few times....they're tied into biocentricity....interesting name btw...tatsu = dragon....much like ryu can be used for dragon as well(or can also be used for \"the way\")....jin = person....

Thanks,

The Japanese language is one of my favorite things and fits nicely (ironically enough) into this discussion. The symbol for Ryu can when paired with other symbols (Jin being one) can mean dragon. Tatsu tends to stand symbolically alone when used in that way but when combined with Jin more formally tends to mean \"expert\".

It is what it is. Fluency in Japanese is not one of my expert level skills, but I hope it will be in time.