What's going on?

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Change adjust move on ... No matter the label it will and can happen . It will happen for me one day and it will happen to you . What we do whith all this ... My bro Manu it is strictly to me and u ... Rythem intended ! The Temple grows and moves and changes often. Pull up some virtual space and let's not gripe but let's grow !
Smiley face ! Regardless of who or what .... I'm still learning !!!! And loving every minute of it too!

My family is just now seeing the love I've re written in my life the time outs I've placed in our paths for us. Good stuff man ! Great stuff . Change is good . All roads are good. How we use em is to us so .... To you ! To me ! Best of friends we shall be but if anything happens ... Here's to me ! Just being a bit funny there with the old cheers! But ya suck were loosing great things but I see it as new time to grow new things ... Some with their help! Be well and be strong and courageous , bro I know you are ! In my heart Manu!

Your poetic writing style collides with my language barriers.

I respect, and acknowledge the positivity of your posts. But I am looking for an expanded answer, my friend.

Senan wrote: Before we start speculating or gossiping about the motivations of others, let's remember to respect those individuals who are making tough decisions and have served this Temple well. It would not be right for any of us to demand answers other than what has already been presented by those involved in their own words. If you are curious, PM those individuals and perhaps they will elaborate. Or they won't. That is their choice, and we need to respect that.

Our business should now be to find the best path forward for the Temple as a whole and focus on tasks that need to be completed in order to maintain continuity. Let's step up and offer to help where we can rather than complaining about the past or questioning other's motives.

Please remember that not everyone here is familiar with all of the inner workings or past politics and decisions here. New members come here with a sense of hope and a desire to learn. Let's not squash that with negativity. Instead, let's serve them as we were served by others when we first arrived.

So the TL;DR answer to my question is: NO.

We're adding at least four knights and one apprentice to The Council for one thing. As for why a particular person left, ask them. And it is somewhat the rise and fall of the tides. People of good conscience can and do disagree on major things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeVQzTVyLk

It appears I am requesting privileged information. If that is the case, then it's ok.

Transparency is not a bad thing in a church that risks appearing as a cult to new members. It is at least a recommendation to keep in mind. Trust people (regardless of rank) with issues and they will positively surprise you.

It's called empowerment.

Manu wrote:

Senan wrote: Before we start speculating or gossiping about the motivations of others, let's remember to respect those individuals who are making tough decisions and have served this Temple well. It would not be right for any of us to demand answers other than what has already been presented by those involved in their own words. If you are curious, PM those individuals and perhaps they will elaborate. Or they won't. That is their choice, and we need to respect that.

Our business should now be to find the best path forward for the Temple as a whole and focus on tasks that need to be completed in order to maintain continuity. Let's step up and offer to help where we can rather than complaining about the past or questioning other's motives.

Please remember that not everyone here is familiar with all of the inner workings or past politics and decisions here. New members come here with a sense of hope and a desire to learn. Let's not squash that with negativity. Instead, let's serve them as we were served by others when we first arrived.

So the TL;DR answer to my question is: NO.

The answer is that it is not our answer to give you. Ask Wes or Brenna or whomever else you want the answers from rather than making a public discussion out of personal decisions. Br. John has elaborated on some changes in the works and he has been open to communicating about policy and procedure, just not about people. Let's focus on the work, not just who is or isn't doing it.

It's fair to want a single, straightforward answer to this question, but not to expect one, or criticise others for not being able to give one.

This stuff is happening for all sorts of different reasons and I doubt any single person can tell you why it's all happening.

The implied question seems to be "Is this all happening for one reason?" and the answer to that from my perspective is a resounding no.

Senan wrote: The answer is that it is not our answer to give you. Ask Wes or Brenna or whomever else you want the answers from rather than making a public discussion out of personal decisions.

It is not my business the exact reasons why Wes or Brenna stepped down. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly), that there was something going on behind closed doors that might have served as a catalyst for their decision, which, by the way, is implied in their posts by people other than THEM that they don't like the direction leadership is taking. This does not describe an exception, it describes a trend.

tzb wrote: The implied question seems to be "Is this all happening for one reason?" and the answer to that is a resounding no.

Fair enough.

tzb wrote: The implied question seems to be "Is this all happening for one reason?" and the answer to that is a resounding no.

I think the fairer question is "What are the current objectives, values and direction of TOTJO?", given the nature of the wording of some recent posts. That's a question that requires no delving into personal reasons, and gets us farther in the long run.

I can't give you answers because I don't have them, but I can offer a listening ear if you are concerned, afraid, unsure of your own next steps. Here if you need.

Ros