The Knights Code

It’s not part of the doctrine. It’s a code that reminds Knights of their duties. It would be like putting the Guide to being a Moderator on the Doctrine Page. That is a set of rules, how to’s and guide line for moderators.

The Knights code is a great set of values for all people to aspire to in my opinion. And that is why it is available for all to see as bonus material on the doctrine section of the IP.

Personally, it would not kill me to have it as part of the doctrine. But is it really a part of the doctrine for all Jedi? It’d be cool if it was but the “sad”, and sad in my opinion, is that Jediism is open to interpretation and not all Jedi believe that the knight’s code is a requirement for being a Jedi, just a Knight at TotJO.

Alexandre Orion wrote: The Knights' Code provides some valuable insights on morality, whether one has sworn a Solemn Vow or not, and as such, I feel that it ought to be part of the Doctrine, even over and above some of what actually is Doctrine.

Master Jedi, I couldn't agree more, nor could I have worded it any better.

I do hope it becomes top doctrine. The Knightly Virtues, the Code, the High Ideals, should be there for all to aim for - and for those who would be knights, to work their hardest to embody as humble examples.

Wescli said

Personally, it would not kill me to have it as part of the doctrine. But is it really a part of the doctrine for all Jedi? It’d be cool if it was but the “sad”, and sad in my opinion, is that Jediism is open to interpretation and not all Jedi believe that the knight’s code is a requirement for being a Jedi, just a Knight at TotJO.

I understand the reasoning thats why i said its a council matter to decide , we can want a lot of things as members but we cannot always get what we want , it has to be decided what is appropriate imo

Thank you.

And I think that is one of the most difficult things Council has to do; decide what would best serve all members. Sure, that changes from time to time and we get a lot of back and forth. But what is best for all without ostracizing, alienating or belittling members and still creating a nurturing environment for all that attend is not an easy or always agreed upon thing.

And that is one reason we watch threads like this so closely.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Personally, it would not kill me to have it as part of the doctrine. But is it really a part of the doctrine for all Jedi? It’d be cool if it was but the “sad”, and sad in my opinion, is that Jediism is open to interpretation and not all Jedi believe that the knight’s code is a requirement for being a Jedi, just a Knight at TotJO.

Should it not, at least, be included in the doctrine for all Jedi to keep in heart for the "knight within all of us"? Otherwise, isn't it being a wee bit exclusive? I can sort of see what you mean by the moderator example, but I really gotta say - that just isn't the same thing.

It's like we all have the ability to hammer a nail into a 2x4. Sure, we don't all become carpenters as a result of that, but it doesn't mean that we all couldn't see/appreciate or even otherwise apply to our lives the wisdom of "measure twice, cut once"

I mean, yeah, it isn't an Earth shatteringly dire thing. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. It *is* included *somewhere* in our pages... it isn't hidden from members, only for a chosen few to see...

Wescli Wardest wrote: Thank you.

And I think that is one of the most difficult things Council has to do; decide what would best serve all members. Sure, that changes from time to time and we get a lot of back and forth. But what is best for all without ostracizing, alienating or belittling members and still creating a nurturing environment for all that attend is not an easy or always agreed upon thing.

And that is one reason we watch threads like this so closely.

Yes and i for one appreciate that the council tries to stay on top of these things , its not always easy to decide for everyone and it is on top of all the work already done , just count on us Dutchies to add to that load hehe

Wescli Wardest wrote: It’s not part of the doctrine. It’s a code that reminds Knights of their duties. It would be like putting the Guide to being a Moderator on the Doctrine Page. That is a set of rules, how to’s and guide line for moderators.

The Knights code is a great set of values for all people to aspire to in my opinion. And that is why it is available for all to see as bonus material on the doctrine section of the IP.

Personally, it would not kill me to have it as part of the doctrine. But is it really a part of the doctrine for all Jedi? It’d be cool if it was but the “sad”, and sad in my opinion, is that Jediism is open to interpretation and not all Jedi believe that the knight’s code is a requirement for being a Jedi, just a Knight at TotJO.

The same can be said of all of the rest of the doctrine. Open to interpretation, the context of circumstantially picking and choosing according to relevance, the debate of what is a requirement to follow in order to be a Jedi, etc etc. In the grand scheme of things, it's really no different.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether or not its in the doctrine. I don't feel I really need any of it at all in order to realize how I feel and what I believe, but it all does help to reinforce, clarify, acknowledge, and supplement what has developed in my paradigm. And that can be rather important. The Knights code is exactly that to me, just the same. I don't need it to be a Knight, and I can feel greatly inspired by it without worrying about being one at all. Either way, it is valuable and relevant to the overall point of any of it existing as it does, for anyone who likes to read and recite it.

Proteus wrote: Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether or not its in the doctrine. I don't feel I really need any of it at all in order to realize how I feel and what I believe, but it all does help to reinforce, clarify, acknowledge, and supplement what has developed in my paradigm. And that can be rather important.

The Knights code is exactly that to me, just the same. I don't need it to be a Knight, and I can feel greatly inspired by it without worrying about being one at all. Either way, it is valuable and relevant to the overall point of any of it existing as it does, for anyone who likes to read and recite it.

Precisely... aiming to be a knight or not, it serves to inspire. Why else would anyone *like* to read and recite such, whether knightly aimed or not? Perhaps to one degree or another, in our heart of hearts, we all *are* aimed so. But even if not so much, it's like another rung on the ladder for the soul. It inspires us to aspire, again, whether aiming for organizationally appointed knighthood, or just knight at heart. It's uplifting. It's encouraging. It's beneficial for anyone's heart to know of, yes?

Perhaps if included in the doctrine, then at the end - maybe like, "and for those aiming for knighthhod, the knight's code;... "

Ironically how quite a number of us Knight's and even others who look to the Knight's code as Doctrine, and yet it isn't and doesn't need to be...

I have to remind myself that that not everyone here who identifies as being a Jedi, identifies with Knighthood. That's a core reason as to why Jedism is so approachable, is its flexibility.

As important as the Knight's code is to some of us, would adding it to the Doctrine take away from the flexibility perhaps making it feel more rigid?

Perhaps adding it as a "noteworthy mention" but still keeping it to the side is more desirable? Just thoughts...