the bible..............*sighs*

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25 May 2013 23:06 #107626 by
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Rai,

I would say that I agree with you to a point. I think that if you are going to believe the Bible is symbolic, then you must believe it is all symbolic. None of it is literal. Maybe the people really existed, but the stories they told served as lessons. However, if you believe the Bible is literal, then you must follow all of its teachings. I would not say that you should pick and choose which parts are convenient for you. I think that is the point we agree most on.

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26 May 2013 02:40 #107640 by Neaj Pa Bol
Just a little note on this topic.

Many years ago I learned a very valuable lesson when it comes to discussing the Bible and/or Christianity.

first, interpretation is never the same by the same person, it's more like a History lesson of how this particular religious belief is and grew. It's not verbatim. But it's beginning to head towards the future...

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26 May 2013 03:53 #107647 by
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Neaj Pa Bol wrote: But it's beginning to head towards the future...


Could you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

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22 Sep 2013 18:29 #119258 by Lykeios Little Raven
I feel that the Bible can be quite useful if it is taken for what it honestly is: a collection of myths, histories, and pseudo-histories. If you can dredge through the hagiography, embellishments, and poetic license there are some good ideas. Usually these are found in the New Testament.

“Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man.” -Zhuangzi

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22 Sep 2013 19:45 #119260 by steamboat28
As with any other religious text, if you don't enjoy it or agree with it, why continue to read or discuss it?

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22 Sep 2013 21:18 #119264 by
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Who's to say what's truth and what isn't? The thing that matters is what you take away from it. If it makes you more closed-minded, then it is not a good take away. You are hurting others this way.

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22 Sep 2013 22:04 #119268 by Gisteron

steamboat28 wrote: As with any other religious text, if you don't enjoy it or agree with it, why continue to read or discuss it?

Because people are motivated by what they believe. Making yourself familiar with what a lot of people believe gives you a reasonable expectation to their actions or opinions to agree with or to combat, or at least understand. If nothing else, study of religious text is a discipline of knowledge gathering like any other study, so its worth it either way.

Connor Lidell wrote: Who's to say what's truth and what isn't? The thing that matters is what you take away from it. If it makes you more closed-minded, then it is not a good take away.

There is a method to telling truth from falsehood and nobody is entitled to just decide what is true and go with it. Because people act on what they believe and the fewer false and the more true things one believes, the better one is off, and what's more important - the better the people around that one are off as well.
The only loophole to believe the capital-T Truth of one's choosing is when one's beliefs really at no point influence one's action. And that virtually never is the case unless one is inconsistent in the respective belief.

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23 Sep 2013 07:07 #119299 by steamboat28

Gisteron wrote: Making yourself familiar with what a lot of people believe gives you a reasonable expectation to their actions or opinions to agree with or to combat, or at least understand.


But there are at least 375 ways to interpret any scripture, and honestly, within Christendom, the Bible is the #1 source of disagreement between members. So, it's not really helping a lot in that regard, is it?

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23 Sep 2013 10:00 #119303 by ren
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Some people enjoy to disagree. And by this I don't mean "agree to disagree", but quite literally, disagreement reinforces their faith, and disagreement makes them feel happy/alive... and keeps them busy, another source of joy.

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23 Sep 2013 10:39 #119306 by Gisteron

steamboat28 wrote: But there are at least 375 ways to interpret any scripture, and honestly, within Christendom, the Bible is the #1 source of disagreement between members. So, it's not really helping a lot in that regard, is it?

Certainly. It is of course also a sort of agreement and in either case, for what its worth, the fact that most scriptures are awfully inconsistent with themselves, each other, logic, naturalistic facts or moral standards of any degree of decency and the least we can say is that if it weren't for the scriptures' constant failures, there would be way fewer grounds for those massive disagreements between denominations of larger faiths.

It must be also noted, that, for the case of Christendom, there are certain expectations reasonable to have of every believer. I don't think someone qualifies as Christian if he does not believe that Jesus is his savior in at least some sort of metaphorical sense or does not believe in any gods or any afterlives. So whatever and however vague a conclusion can be drawn from these few core beliefs that are common to everyone who can afford even remotely labeling oneself as Christian, they are still of some value. Of course one must not build prejudices or close one's mind to changes or expansions of these conclusions, but its not that nothing can be said of a believer just by virtue of knowing what faith he follows.

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