The Force in Scripture?

Arisaig wrote: 'As noted extensively I don't trust Moses but this outside the limited scope. Since I don't trust Moses I'm naturally skeptical of his abilities and what they even considered to be a miracle.'

His abilities? What would those be?

abilities, meaning the application of whatever science he learned from having extensive access to Egyptian knowledge, which... we're talking about the civilization that built the pyramids so what the common folk may have thought was magic could have simply been a utilization of scientific principles that were known to the elite and the priests.

Religion was kind of the vehicle that a lot of cultures used to carry their scientific knowledge and theories. Many gods were simply primal forces of nature or a combination. When you add this god + that god = this other god, type of thing. So I see the competition between Moses and the priests of Egypt as a battle of Egyptian scientific knowledge. After all, it wasn't a common born and as such uneducated person that was chosen from the children of Jacob. And this was around 400 years later. So why the wait? Why did it have to be him? And why, if it was God alone, do the circumstances of Moses's history seem altogether important and relevant to how he dealt with the Egyptians?

A big question should be why did miracles such as what happened in Egypt seem to stop almost as soon as they left?

Kasumi wrote:

Arisaig wrote:
His abilities? What would those be?

Bringing water from rocks? (Exodus 17 & Numbers 20)

Wasn't his power though. He claimed it was, and for that he was barred from ever entering the promiced land.

He allowed his ego to thrive and for that he was punished by the powers that be.

Guess that could be a lesson on the Force.
We don't control it, and anyone who tries to usually has it backfire. ;p

Arisaig wrote:

Kasumi wrote:

Arisaig wrote:
His abilities? What would those be?

Bringing water from rocks? (Exodus 17 & Numbers 20)

Wasn't his power though. He claimed it was, and for that he was barred from ever entering the promiced land.

He allowed his ego to thrive and for y. he he was punished by the powers that be.

Guess that could be a lesson on the Force.
We don't control it, and anyone who tries to usually has it backfire. ;p

Nicely done, sir.

Arisaig wrote:

Kasumi wrote:

Arisaig wrote:
His abilities? What would those be?

Bringing water from rocks? (Exodus 17 & Numbers 20)

Wasn't his power though. He claimed it was, and for that he was barred from ever entering the promiced land.

He allowed his ego to thrive and for that he was punished by the powers that be.

Guess that could be a lesson on the Force.
We don't control it, and anyone who tries to usually has it backfire. ;p

You're right. It wasn't his power (according to the story), but why did it work?

ZealotX wrote:

Arisaig wrote:

Kasumi wrote:

Arisaig wrote:
His abilities? What would those be?

Bringing water from rocks? (Exodus 17 & Numbers 20)

Wasn't his power though. He claimed it was, and for that he was barred from ever entering the promiced land.

He allowed his ego to thrive and for that he was punished by the powers that be.

Guess that could be a lesson on the Force.
We don't control it, and anyone who tries to usually has it backfire. ;p

You're right. It wasn't his power (according to the story), but why did it work?

Because God had instructed him to do just that, and water would be brought forth. Claiming it was his own power was the mistake.

We’ll get to this story too - let’s just focus on what’s going on atm in the study

Exodus 8:8
Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, “Entreat the Lord that He may take away the frogs from me and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may sacrifice to the Lord.”

Time to put on your interpersonal communication cap and tell me: What is Pharaoh really saying?

"LEAVE ME ALONE!"

Pharoah can see where this is going - Aaron's magic is stronger, if the people of Egypt realise this, the dynasty could be overthrown. Best to give the Israelites a bit of religious freedom and prevent any more crazy plagues . . .

I find its a very choice selection of words.

"I cannot say your God is more powerful than my own, but give us mercy from it."

In terms of being a Jedi, or someone that's 'found the Force', people have said I've changed. They first thought it was just me turning my life around, but I kept saying it was because of my discovery of this Force. Now, many of my closest friends have had to give in and recognise the power of the Force, despite their own faith saying such a thing cannot exist, simply because of the changes they've seen it bring about in my life.