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Can You Trust God?
6 years 8 months ago #279455
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Perhaps a better question is "can you trust yourself?"
I admittedly no longer attend a Christian church and I haven't claimed to be a Christian in decades, but I was once on board with the idea that God was infallible and whether we understood his motives or not, he could be trusted to do what is best for all mankind even if it seems wrong at the time. What I have discovered for myself over time is that in my life, it doesn't matter if I can trust God completely if I cannot trust myself to act accordingly. Trust in God, or the Force, means nothing if I do not have the will to trust in them when all evidence says I shouldn't.
The example of Job was used earlier, and it may help to illustrate my point. Job put his complete faith in God despite being punished over and over. God was testing him, and Job placed his trust in his God throughout. More importantly, though, Job did not waiver from his personal convictions. He followed God's word despite all of the evidence to the contrary. It would seem that God had abandoned him, but he remained steadfast in his belief that God could be trusted. This was not through the will of God. It was his will; he decided to remain faithful. When he was finally rewarded, he gave God due credit, but I would say that Job was rewarded for being true to himself. He fought through the hardships. He made it happen for himself.
I admittedly no longer attend a Christian church and I haven't claimed to be a Christian in decades, but I was once on board with the idea that God was infallible and whether we understood his motives or not, he could be trusted to do what is best for all mankind even if it seems wrong at the time. What I have discovered for myself over time is that in my life, it doesn't matter if I can trust God completely if I cannot trust myself to act accordingly. Trust in God, or the Force, means nothing if I do not have the will to trust in them when all evidence says I shouldn't.
The example of Job was used earlier, and it may help to illustrate my point. Job put his complete faith in God despite being punished over and over. God was testing him, and Job placed his trust in his God throughout. More importantly, though, Job did not waiver from his personal convictions. He followed God's word despite all of the evidence to the contrary. It would seem that God had abandoned him, but he remained steadfast in his belief that God could be trusted. This was not through the will of God. It was his will; he decided to remain faithful. When he was finally rewarded, he gave God due credit, but I would say that Job was rewarded for being true to himself. He fought through the hardships. He made it happen for himself.
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6 years 8 months ago #279543
by Alethea Thompson
Replied by Alethea Thompson on topic Can You Trust God?
There is a reason I didn't ask the question "Can you trust yourself", it's because it is an entirely different question. It's also an entirely different question to ask "Can you trust what man understands of God".
To ask "Can I trust myself" or "Can I trust what others understand of God" is not answering whether or not you can place your life in the hands of a being that you claim to give everything of yourself to.
To ask "Can I trust myself" or "Can I trust what others understand of God" is not answering whether or not you can place your life in the hands of a being that you claim to give everything of yourself to.
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6 years 8 months ago #279565
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Thanks for clarifying, Alethea. I misunderstood the real question you were asking and I'm not sure I have an answer for the real question. I'll have to think about it. Thank you.
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6 years 8 months ago #279601
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God's not looking out for us? He is omnipresent and omnipotent, so why not?
But I get your point. He lets bad things happen. It isn't his fault. We screwed up the world, not Him.
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Anyway, too many bad things have happened to me in my life that I have trouble trusting that God is looking out for me.
Hubris beyond contemplation to imagine that God is looking out for you
And twice that to imagine that you can comprehend what is best for you in the way that the infinite and almighty does.
God is many things (including but not limited to all things)
however, despite the infinite and all things that God is, God is NOT a giant hand that will descend from the skies to stop a car crash, or pull smoke from your lungs, or rearrange your genes to make you taller, smarter, or less prone to this, that or the other woe.
God's not looking out for us? He is omnipresent and omnipotent, so why not?
But I get your point. He lets bad things happen. It isn't his fault. We screwed up the world, not Him.
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6 years 8 months ago #279635
by Gisteron
There is a reason the problem of evil (or suffering, to keep it a tad more modern) is still being brought up, millennia after Epicurus. Whether we accept it or not, if we have a set of premises that are contrary, their conjunction is false, no matter how many more assumptions we try and add to the mix.
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And of course we have the power to screw up his plan and he is powerless to fix it, because that omnipotence thing you mentioned as recently as the previous line is all but forgotten now. Or, alterntively, what ever we call "screwed up" was his plan all along and... well, do I even need to add on to that any more?Aharon wrote: God's not looking out for us? He is omnipresent and omnipotent, so why not?
But I get your point. He lets bad things happen. It isn't his fault. We screwed up the world, not Him.
There is a reason the problem of evil (or suffering, to keep it a tad more modern) is still being brought up, millennia after Epicurus. Whether we accept it or not, if we have a set of premises that are contrary, their conjunction is false, no matter how many more assumptions we try and add to the mix.
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