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Pope Francis Discusses Gay Catholics: 'Who Am I To Judge?'
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10 years 4 months ago - 10 years 4 months ago #114346
by Jestor
Replied by Jestor on topic Re:Pope Francis Discusses Gay Catholics: 'Who Am I To Judge?'
This comes off harsher in my rereads than it is meant too...
Sorry...
Its not intended too....
Remember, I am smiling...
Read it a Daffy Duck, or Sylvester the Cat voice, if that helps lighten the mood...
Sorry...

Its not intended too....
Remember, I am smiling...

Read it a Daffy Duck, or Sylvester the Cat voice, if that helps lighten the mood...

Warning: Spoiler!
"Damn...
And here i thought a step, no matter the size, in the right direction, was positive thing...
As a hetro male, who has never cared about sexual orientation, i guess i am just too positive...
Never mind that it is a step...
Forget about the women, they dont count.... check...
Not open enough... check...
Did anyone want to comment for slavery, or child labor laws? How about "green" energy?
Its a step...Small, but a step...
Baby steps, aint that what we tell people while they are learning something new? Especially if their first, faltering steps are shakey and unsure?
Not point out their missteps, but promote and educate them on "its not that hard"?
Come on now people...
And yea, as an ex-catholic who was told gay folks are "evil", "wrong", "confused", "sinners", "stay away from those weirdos", and this was only some of the things I was told, lol...
Yea, we were taught to judge... You confuse Christians, with Catholics... while Catholics are Christians, they are not a tolerant, understanding, loving, branch of Christianity...
They have a prayer that says: And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church (Nicene Creed, whatever.. Prayer, creed, don't much care, cause when a group begins to judge, I leave if I cannot have my own, outspoken, opinions... lol...
I came from a Catholic/Baptist parents, and choose to follow Catholic because, well, father issues, lol... And the services were only an hour, period! Lol...
This was my fall from Catholicism, My mother couldn't bring herself to say that line...
What kinda community does crap like that? A loving, in the image of the father, type community? Sorry different story, another time...
“We are the best!" or "Don't believe the others, WE are the only true and right church"
And one of the reasons i left the catholics, because people judge...
This IS a big deal....
As his comment on women has been judged, and so has his comment on being gay...
Im not judging anyone, in this thread or elsewhere...
As i said, the forward step needed to be recognized, now we (mankind) need to continue to learn...
This won't happen overnight...
We can't rest either, but don't blow it off as its not news...
And here i thought a step, no matter the size, in the right direction, was positive thing...

As a hetro male, who has never cared about sexual orientation, i guess i am just too positive...
Never mind that it is a step...
Forget about the women, they dont count.... check...
Not open enough... check...
Did anyone want to comment for slavery, or child labor laws? How about "green" energy?
Its a step...Small, but a step...
Baby steps, aint that what we tell people while they are learning something new? Especially if their first, faltering steps are shakey and unsure?
Not point out their missteps, but promote and educate them on "its not that hard"?
Come on now people...

And yea, as an ex-catholic who was told gay folks are "evil", "wrong", "confused", "sinners", "stay away from those weirdos", and this was only some of the things I was told, lol...
Yea, we were taught to judge... You confuse Christians, with Catholics... while Catholics are Christians, they are not a tolerant, understanding, loving, branch of Christianity...
They have a prayer that says: And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church (Nicene Creed, whatever.. Prayer, creed, don't much care, cause when a group begins to judge, I leave if I cannot have my own, outspoken, opinions... lol...
I came from a Catholic/Baptist parents, and choose to follow Catholic because, well, father issues, lol... And the services were only an hour, period! Lol...
This was my fall from Catholicism, My mother couldn't bring herself to say that line...
What kinda community does crap like that? A loving, in the image of the father, type community? Sorry different story, another time...

“We are the best!" or "Don't believe the others, WE are the only true and right church"
And one of the reasons i left the catholics, because people judge...
This IS a big deal....
As his comment on women has been judged, and so has his comment on being gay...
Im not judging anyone, in this thread or elsewhere...
As i said, the forward step needed to be recognized, now we (mankind) need to continue to learn...
This won't happen overnight...
We can't rest either, but don't blow it off as its not news...

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10 years 4 months ago #114367
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Oh, I'm not arguing that this isn't a big deal at all, but I've seen a lot of my friends on Facebook acting like this means they're going to start allowing gay marriages next week. He never said acting on homosexuality is okay, just that being homosexual is fine (which has been the stance of the church for a while anyway). He's reminding people not to judge, which they shouldn't have been doing in the first place. Mostly he's telling Catholics to get it together and remember to live in Christ, and I think that is very important and definitely would be a refreshing change.
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10 years 4 months ago #114369
by Jestor
Replied by Jestor on topic Pope Francis Discusses Gay Catholics: 'Who Am I To Judge?'
Thanks...
I almost didnt post my response,and actually sent it to another Council Memebr to make sure I wasnt coming off too strong... I worry my rebuttals sometimes sound too serious, and this environment does not do my sense of humor justice...
I got a ton of goofy facial expressions noone here can see... And if you could see what I am starting with, you'd see I have quite the head start to begin with!! haha...
Anyway, I see what you mean, I appreciate your explanation...
Yes, It does have to be looked at, at face value... Dont read anything into what he says...
Thats the trouble many times, people read into stuff, how they feel stuff should be read...
If Im crabby, (hey, it happens!), sometimes I catch the nasty voice reading the posts of others... And I have to reread to make make sure Im not just projecting my crappy-ness onto the words of others...

I almost didnt post my response,and actually sent it to another Council Memebr to make sure I wasnt coming off too strong... I worry my rebuttals sometimes sound too serious, and this environment does not do my sense of humor justice...
I got a ton of goofy facial expressions noone here can see... And if you could see what I am starting with, you'd see I have quite the head start to begin with!! haha...
Anyway, I see what you mean, I appreciate your explanation...
Yes, It does have to be looked at, at face value... Dont read anything into what he says...
Thats the trouble many times, people read into stuff, how they feel stuff should be read...
If Im crabby, (hey, it happens!), sometimes I catch the nasty voice reading the posts of others... And I have to reread to make make sure Im not just projecting my crappy-ness onto the words of others...
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10 years 4 months ago #114438
by ren
I come from a (formerly?) catholic country. Back then I thought catholics were OK. I mean of the entire population there's, what, 10% that goes to church? and of those, 80% are harmless, 20% believe in god, of which half are the gay hating kind...
I live in england and "know" the US fairly well (mostly from you guys and the news), and those two non-catholic countries have God in their state schools. Next to that I went to one of the top catholic (private) schools in my country, and they couldn't dispense religious education because they were partially funded by the government. Spain and Portugal recognize full-blown gay marriage as well, and they're catholic...
Replied by ren on topic Pope Francis Discusses Gay Catholics: 'Who Am I To Judge?'
Yea, we were taught to judge... You confuse Christians, with Catholics... while Catholics are Christians, they are not a tolerant, understanding, loving, branch of Christianity...
I come from a (formerly?) catholic country. Back then I thought catholics were OK. I mean of the entire population there's, what, 10% that goes to church? and of those, 80% are harmless, 20% believe in god, of which half are the gay hating kind...
I live in england and "know" the US fairly well (mostly from you guys and the news), and those two non-catholic countries have God in their state schools. Next to that I went to one of the top catholic (private) schools in my country, and they couldn't dispense religious education because they were partially funded by the government. Spain and Portugal recognize full-blown gay marriage as well, and they're catholic...
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