Who is God to you?

I have been struggling in my church of the last three years roughly. Been thinking about leaving completely but, a part of me is Holding to Jesus. I am growing more fearful about leaving and focusing fully on jediism. But, every church service, every prayer night or Bible study night or youth group night (Very active in my church) if I were to walk away I feel like I would hurt something permanently within me and my peers. I know you can be a Jedi and be a Christian but, my church is very conservative...Jesus only. They would more than likely ask me leave.

What has made you think about leaving, specifically?

What do you think would be hurt in you or your peers if you left?

Are you staying simply out of fear? That's why alot of people still go to church, that perhaps its a sin or something...

I left because it didn't feel right, it never did. As soon as I was given the choice, that was that, and I have never regretted that decision...

Sounds as if you need to weigh the positives verses the negatives. Do you feel good while at church? Listen to your gut, and do not allow fear to influence your decision. A huge part of being a Jedi is having the courage to make difficult decisions...

I think it's the fear of leaving there's nothing wrong with my church necessarily but I know that they would never support my second one. If my pastor were to look at some of the things that are posted on here and really study it and he would not make a harsh quick judgment but I guarantee you he would consider this ungodly and Magic hand of the devil. Me and my wife have had arguments about Temple of the Jedi Order before. But I'm in church I pray I participate I don't just sit on the pier and not respond there is just something pulling on me not wanting to leave but at the same time I get too tired the lack of respect the consideration they gay and lesbian community, a church can be just flat hateful that anything that's anti Bible for Anti christ. I'm just not that way anymore I used to be like that you're very hateful Christian it is either repent and give your life to Christ or burn 2011 I came to this Temple and I feel I awoke. I love Jesus I love my pastor I love my church and they love me but I know they would never accept me being a Jedi I guarantee you they probably laugh me to scorn.

Who is god to me? My essence. The words you choose to define that are up to you but the words are limiting and clinging to the words too tightly is a deception and leads to unhappiness. Look into and discover your essence and you'll find your god, no words are then necessary. Be happy.

I have the luxury of being a well known name in the Jedi Community, so it affords me the ability to be able to explain the intricacies of the how the Jedi Path works in regards to our multi-faith acceptance without my pastor thinking I just don't get it. If they went to ask someone at any of the orders or big name Jedi Facebook groups what the Jedi Community is about (on the Macro-Scale), they would most likely get pointed in a number of directions, one of which is mine (which is what I mean by "luxury").

My pastor, however, accepted from the get-go that it would take a great deal of time for him to figure all of this out, and instead decided to rely on what he feels the Holy Spirit is telling him about me. He's not worried about my Jedi side. I say this to explain that if your pastor is focused on your other church rather than how you live your life in accordance with God's Word, then he's probably not a pastor sanctified by God.

That said, here's the real question: Have you dug into the Bible to discover God? Jedi are taught to meditate, as it happens the Bible also encourages us to meditate on God's Word. Through that, you can find whether or not you actually agree with Christianity. I recommend starting with the really harsh points in Christianity- meditating on the things you pointed out you hate about your church. Their hatred towards LGBT, find verses (not just the one verse, read the entire collection of verses that lead up to and follow those verses, for example: Read all of the story on Sodom and Gomorrah starting with God telling Abraham He was about to go review them, not the snippets) that relate to the concept, and verses that talk about using wisdom to communicate with people about their sins, and about love, etc.

From there, if you still decide Christianity is the way for you, pray that God lead you to a church that agrees with what you've learned.

I'm not in a church because of my pastor. I'm in a church because the church provides me an opportunity to develop a relationship with God, that I don't really have at home with a spastic kid.

I think the question is less about God and more about you.

Whether you're in the church or not, would that change your relationship with Him? Would you love Jesus less if you distanced yourself from a house that didn't follow His message of love and peace? Or found another church that allowed you to more fully and authentically live His word?

@leah well, I have always been taught it isn't about you its about Jesus. Would this change or challenge my faith in Christ? Nope, not at all. Jesus Christ I will always have in my heart. The church structure no. I grow tired of hearing people say how much they love God yet, they bash each other and are at times the most hypocritical group of people myself included in this I have done it as well. Espically, when someone leaves church. But, when they're in church they loved them so...obviously not! And I hate to bash others but, it makes me think. Is leaving as horrible as I think? Or, is it a mind over matter deal.

Sven One wrote: @leah well, I have always been taught it isn't about you its about Jesus. Would this change or challenge my faith in Christ? Nope, not at all. Jesus Christ I will always have in my heart. The church structure no. I grow tired of hearing people say how much they love God yet, they bash each other and are at times the most hypocritical group of people myself included in this I have done it as well. Espically, when someone leaves church. But, when they're in church they loved them so...obviously not! And I hate to bash others but, it makes me think. Is leaving as horrible as I think? Or, is it a mind over matter deal.

That's what I'm suggesting. No matter where you are, you will have your love for Christ with you, so it should be a no-brainer. Although inspired by God, any church you go to was built by Man, and so, is subject to Man's failings and weaknesses (like petty behaviour and misinterpretations of the Word)

If you feel like a church isn't embracing the ideals that you believe in, like tolerance and compassion, you're not at fault for wanting to leave. You can leave them to their cattiness and gossip and either find a new fellowship or worship on your own terms. We were given free will for a reason.

God is not a "Who"

I don't think I've visited my Church (I use the term as the organisation rather than a specific building) in 4 years?

My church was never about the people or the potluck dinners or whatever else people do at churches though, so my feelings on "not being a part of the community" could be very different from yours.


Work on it, take some time, you may be able to change what God and Church means to you, and then leaving (or staying) will be an obvious and easy choice, not a dilemma.

Loving God, as you understand God, is a good thing. Being a Jedi is a good thing. But what I feel is closer to the heart of the matter is communion.

Communion is not just something Christians do to reaffirm the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and having God in our lives. Communion is also the gathering of like minds and spirits for strengthening of bonds. Many of the “best” churches have strong communion among the parishioners. And that communion is strengthened by the priest/pastor, clergy and the symbolism contained in the service.

You might be surprised to find out that many of the members in your parish have differing views and interpretations of the scriptures. But they often will not vice them in fear of ridicule or breaking that communion. I feel that the ability to have differing views and interpretations of teachings and beliefs is one of the strong points, unifiers, of Jediism.

Your spiritual connection to God and the Force is a part of your journey and not for others to judge. Mathew 7:1-3 "¹ Do not judge so that you will not be judged. ² For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. ³ Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? ⁴ Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? ⁵ You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."

The 16 Teachings 1 and 9 “1. Jedi are in touch with the Force. We are open to spiritual awareness and keep our minds in tune with the beauty of the world. We are forever learning and open our minds to experiences and knowledge of ourselves and others.” “9. Jedi have integrity. We are authentic to what we believe and are open, honest and true to our purpose and our minds. We remove all masks to reveal ourselves as courageous and noble of heart. We do not hide from fear of damage to our image because we know that our image cannot be blemished from the words and actions of others.”

So what should you do? Well, what do you feel you should do? After all, this life is your spiritual journey.

The question was asked, so I warn you in advance, here is my answer; 'God' is a fictional supernatural being in the number one bestseller 'the Bible' written by some desert dwelling scribes in the Arabian sand dunes.

Silas Mercury wrote: The question was asked, so I warn you in advance, here is my answer; 'God' is a fictional supernatural being in the number one bestseller 'the Bible' written by some desert dwelling scribes in the Arabian sand dunes.

I'm pretty sure Sven was probably asking those who actually believe in God...

silas wrote: The question was asked, so I warn you in advance, here is my answer; 'God' is a fictional supernatural being in the number one bestseller 'the Bible' written by some desert dwelling scribes in the Arabian sand dunes.

A fair assessment.
I'll keep it in mind next time I'm reading a "What is Jediism to you" Thread :laugh: :whistle:

Lenny Bruce wrote: Every day people are straying away from church and going back to God.

Point being, God is everywhere. The church is all the people, not the building. You don't need to be in a specific place in order to worship.

@ sven I love this question. I've noticed your posts. I see the questions common theme. Be sure friend when you seek something out, eventually you will find. Your answer or findings may some times (50% or greater in my own case) yield different answers than that you were expecting. If there is open minded Ness then i ask simply for subject sake and meditation sake, why do u need a God? I know some time ago I asked the very same thing. My quest keeps me here searching along with others. I will never forsake those who truly have found what it was they needed where EVER they find it. I encourage those to seek out more and grow more. When I sat in church after churches preaching and teaching eventually I had to ask my self a few questions. Eventually i found that and many more answers. Keep on keeping on friend. This is the part of being Jedi where we share and learn.
Be well sven and maybe he living Force be with you everywhere you are... it is!

Thank you everyone this has helped me overcome I mediated on these things I believe I have overcome.