Pope Francis Discusses Gay Catholics: 'Who Am I To Judge?'

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good for him. the more i read about this pope, the more i like him. hes certainly better than the last one. even my mom, a lifelong practising catholic, didnt like him.

As an ex-Catholic, I do watch what they say... They control the opinions of millions...

But, sometimes, when the millions seem to be disagreeing, they might want to listen, and change their stance...

I found it interesting...

Correct answer...

who am I to judge

Exactly!

Oh sweet baby jesus I sweaar Westboro Baptist church is going to be on the war path.

And who is the pope to decide how to dictate howis the Cathlics see this issue? He is the Pope and it is his job to decide such matter. I guess he did not bother reading that pesky job summery before he took his position. From a Cathlic Christian point of few the laws of homosexuality are fairly cut and dry. Now i personally do not care how the church goes one way or another as i am going to hell, but i think it is foolish for them to adapt new positions.

Perhaps i will start a Witches for Jesus fan club and see what they tell me.

go for it, hannigan. i would join, despite my non-witchy ways.

Everything changes, Hannigan -- they couldn't really not take up new positions. Hell, Popes flying around in aeroplanes and giving press conferences is a relatively new position ....

And as for "Witches for Jesus" ... it would probably depend on how much your annual contributions to the Church are. Sin seems to be fine as long as it makes them money -- sort of like their stock in companies which produce condoms ...

:dry:

MJ Hannigan wrote: .

Perhaps i will start a Witches for Jesus fan club and see what they tell me.

What would they beleive in? :laugh:

MJ Hannigan wrote: Oh sweet baby jesus I sweaar Westboro Baptist church is going to be on the war path.

And who is the pope to decide how to dictate howis the Cathlics see this issue? He is the Pope and it is his job to decide such matter. I guess he did not bother reading that pesky job summery before he took his position. From a Cathlic Christian point of few the laws of homosexuality are fairly cut and dry. Now i personally do not care how the church goes one way or another as i am going to hell, but i think it is foolish for them to adapt new positions.

Perhaps i will start a Witches for Jesus fan club and see what they tell me.

I know what you are saying, and I will just agree, and say, "if we dont bend with the wind, we will break..."

Its why the Catholics are dwindling, like much of christianity....

They are too rigid in their beliefs, therefore, they will break in the long run if they do not keep up with the rate of change...

Same for any belief, even that of the mighty Jedi...

And this is why Jedi observe, feel and use wisdom, focus and knowledge, in the measure of possible, to come to believe what we may believe from where and when we are in discovering the who and what ... Science is taking care of finding out how.

We do not say what to believe, just "to believe ..."

The Force (given that is the name we will call it) reveals Itself -- we don't need to preach it.

MJ Hannigan wrote: And who is the pope to decide how to dictate howis the Cathlics see this issue? He is the Pope and it is his job to decide such matter.

Can you clarify that, the former sentence would imply a negative but the latter implies a positive...

MJ Hannigan wrote: i think it is foolish for them to adapt new positions.

You do? How interesting...

Akkarin wrote:

MJ Hannigan wrote: And who is the pope to decide how to dictate howis the Cathlics see this issue? He is the Pope and it is his job to decide such matter.

Can you clarify that, the former sentence would imply a negative but the latter implies a positive...

MJ Hannigan wrote: i think it is foolish for them to adapt new positions.

You do? How interesting...

The first part was meant to, the second part i know. I honesty do not change my standards for others and i expect the church would be even harsher then me.

Now do not get me wrong i think the church is a congreation of fools, however i still do expect them to have a spine and stand firm.

The pope also used the occasion to expand on his June remarks about a "gay lobby" in the Vatican, clarifying that "he was against all lobbies, not just gay ones," the Italian news agency ANSA reports.

"Being gay is a tendency. The problem is the lobby," ANSA quotes the pontiff saying. "The lobby is unacceptable, the gay one, the political one, the Masonic one."

Says the guy who began papacy with opinions over falklands sovereignty.
BS in religious affairs? Check.

ren wrote: Says the guy who began papacy with opinions over falklands sovereignty.
BS in religious affairs? Check.

BS is the most highly respected rite in 5000 years of religious tradition. Wouldn't want to break from that, would we ... ?

Alexandre Orion wrote: And this is why Jedi observe, feel and use wisdom, focus and knowledge, in the measure of possible, to come to believe what we may believe from where and when we are in discovering the who and what ... Science is taking care of finding out how.

We do not say what to believe, just "to believe ..."

The Force (given that is the name we will call it) reveals Itself -- we don't need to preach it.

And when the time is right 'for an individual' to seek 'the answer' (or is it the question?), if it ever is, then they will seek their own answers... Whatever they may be..

I found it quite hard to get excited about his stance on gay priests when he immediately followed it up by saying that 'the door is closed' for women priests.

Yes, he did follow this up by explaining that he believes that women have a very important place in the Church (more important than Bishops and Priests) and that he just hasn't worked it out yet - but it doesn't wash with me.

So in one interview he said that he has no right to judge gays...and then immediately demonstrates that he considers himself a judge over [the place of] women in the Catholic Church.

http://youtu.be/litnTBtYMGY

Its our (human) progression...

I noticed it too...

And while it bugged me, I didnt want it to overshadow the small bit of ground gained..lol...

Women in the clregy will be next...

It may just take another 500 years, lol...

As I said in my last post... If they dont change fast enough, they will die as a belief...

He didn't really change the views of the Catholic Church. He just reminded people of what it means to be Christian. He says that, while homosexuality is a sin, it is not for him to judge individuals and ostracize them. And gay priests are certainly okay with him because they aren't supposed to be having romantic or sexual relationships with anyone anyway. That is a change from the previous pope who didn't accept gay people at all ever for any reason. This one isn't saying "being gay is just fine let's all go to Pride." He's only saying that Christians don't judge others for their sins even when they know their actions to be sinful. It is an important step in the right direction, but it isn't as drastic or insane as a lot of people are making it out to be.

This comes off harsher in my rereads than it is meant too...

Sorry...

Its not intended too....

Remember, I am smiling...

Read it a Daffy Duck, or Sylvester the Cat voice, if that helps lighten the mood...

Oh, I'm not arguing that this isn't a big deal at all, but I've seen a lot of my friends on Facebook acting like this means they're going to start allowing gay marriages next week. He never said acting on homosexuality is okay, just that being homosexual is fine (which has been the stance of the church for a while anyway). He's reminding people not to judge, which they shouldn't have been doing in the first place. Mostly he's telling Catholics to get it together and remember to live in Christ, and I think that is very important and definitely would be a refreshing change.