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30 Dec 2019 19:03 #347814 by Alethea Thompson
This one has more questions, I figured dividing everything makes it easier to figure out exactly what we want to see in the future of the document. Based on the results of this questionnaire, we'll see if what needs to be done. If we end up with a full document that has any differences from the current model, I'll send up the new proposal to the council and they'll vote on what they see. The poll will close in a month to give everyone enough time to look over the doctrine more thoroughly to make a decision.

Instead of arguing over "what's the point?", I'd prefer the space to be used to defend your position in such a way that you might be able to sway other members to the way you think it should look, discuss points of each document/area discussed (there's a question of whether or not you want to continue using both Jedi Codes, or just use one, or even to scrap them altogether, for example). Don't get angry if there are dissenting views. You have the ability to change your answers over the course of the month the polls are open, and your answers are tied to your email.

For the Questionnaire-
https://forms.gle/gFf2bfUtXHFLAyuQA

And if you want to follow along-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FZhJidc84guSzENZtgUSRUlGEJDn6ziW2Q1i7laN_Zo/edit#gid=1212755572

Let me reiterate: This doesn't mean things will change. The Council has to make the final decision- but you can get your voice heard by voicing it as a vote, and talking about it here.

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31 Dec 2019 15:08 #347844 by forestjedi
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For the Creed question, why no option to keep it as it is, in line with all other questions?
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31 Dec 2019 21:19 #347866 by Alethea Thompson
Good Catch, I thought I had. Thank you for pointing that out. ^^ I've included the option.

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01 Jan 2020 09:45 #347879 by Malicious
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Voted .



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01 Jan 2020 19:19 #347885 by
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I like those questionnaires,
but more curious on the results, post it here as you will know them.

Come to vote people!

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07 Jan 2020 18:47 - 07 Jan 2020 18:48 #348121 by Alethea Thompson
I'm rather surprised at the percentage of people (63.6%) which said "Why not all 3?"

I'm curious why this has such an enormous response. If you're in the all 3 camp, I'd love to hear why you find it better to have more added to the doctrine.

The Questionnaire is still open, and you can change your answers if something comes to mind: https://forms.gle/gFf2bfUtXHFLAyuQA

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07 Jan 2020 18:56 #348123 by Kobos
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After some consideration and finally voting on this one, sorry was on a little break and am catching up. I am in the all three camp. I say this because it gives an open avenue of interpretation on the personal level. For example I try to live in the idea of the principals. However, one may find living by the maxims more attainable or fitting to their life. Meanwhile I see the Jedi teachings more as goals to use the guide lines set by the previous mentioned documents. But that's just my 2 cents.

Keep up the good work Alethea, eventually this will get flushed out.

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07 Jan 2020 21:44 - 07 Jan 2020 21:45 #348124 by J. K. Barger
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I voted. How do we know if someone votes twice?

Can we see the results?

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07 Jan 2020 21:48 - 07 Jan 2020 21:49 #348125 by Alethea Thompson
It registers with an email, only one vote (which can be changed) per email. I'm hoping no one registers multiple emails just so they cansway the vote. But I have no control over that. As for seeing the results- the spreadsheet is linked in the first post, but here it is again for ease of access: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FZhJidc84guSzENZtgUSRUlGEJDn6ziW2Q1i7laN_Zo/edit#gid=1212755572 :)

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07 Jan 2020 23:25 #348127 by Adder
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oooo farming emails! Where's your privacy policy :D just kidding, I voted all 3 from memory, for above reason ^^.

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08 Jan 2020 01:34 #348135 by Alethea Thompson
XD there is a way for that (collecting emails), but I feel that’s just dishonest, so I made sure to opt out of that capability ^^.

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22 Jan 2020 01:02 #348664 by Alethea Thompson
Just a reminder that this is still ongoing.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdSek4UO2BSlWqC_p_S6_PfjUtNQuUMMEHEwf1Cxp2tVieo3w/alreadyresponded

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28 Jan 2020 17:58 #348973 by Alethea Thompson
This has another 4 days to go before I shut down the polls. :). Get your votes in!!!

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02 Feb 2020 18:28 #349221 by forestjedi
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So, what were the results?

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03 Feb 2020 04:29 #349284 by Alethea Thompson
I don’t have a computer on the weekends, and am teaching classes in the morning. I’ll post the results sometime tomorrow afternoon when I get everything organized with my job. :)

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04 Feb 2020 00:19 #349371 by Alethea Thompson

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Posting these real quick, will talk more on them later.

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04 Feb 2020 00:38 #349372 by Rex
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Interesting data, I'd love to see how the votes break down by rank and on how they voted on other questions.
It looks like the "yet" version of the code is the only change with a plurality

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04 Feb 2020 09:38 - 04 Feb 2020 10:17 #349393 by forestjedi
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1. Definition of Jediism
Change it to what we talked about in the previous poll (Force isn't defined) 83.3%

2. Jedi Believe - TIED
Keep it as it is 38.5%
Work on rewriting it 38.5%

3. The Three Tenets
Keep it as it is 61.5%

4. The Jedi Code
Just use the "yet" version 50%

5. The Jedi Code intro - TIED
The Jedi Code serves as a guide... (short) 30.8%
The Jedi Code serves as a guide... (long) 30.8%

6. The Jedi Creed
Leave as it is 41.7%

7. Which Documents do you wish to see in the Doctrine?
Why not have all 3? 64.3%

So, some clear decisions, much staying the same or receiving minor tweaks for sure, two decisions still to be made but plenty still somewhat grey.

As Rex mentions, most without an outright majority, only 1, 3, and 7 - what's the threshold for enacting a change? Over 50% of the vote? We didn't define this.

All pending Council approval.
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11 Feb 2020 02:40 #349696 by Alethea Thompson
I didn't forget about this, just been working on a personal project the last 2 weeks that kept my attention.

I'm going to start up a topic about the Jedi Believe Section since there was a tie. The majority said they wanted to put in an intro regarding the Jedi Code. The shorter version was based on using one code while the longer version was if we stuck to 2 codes. Since the majority wanted to move forward with the "Yet" version of the code, when I submit the final draft I'll include the shorter intro for the council's consideration. :)

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