Stuff n Things, Or how to get excommunicated and not even know why, lol!

So, this was sent to me from Ren. The last couple of weeks has been up and down, I was told because of one single pm sent 4 months ago, suggesting a new student may not want to get emotionally invested here because of the corruption I've witnessed, I was up for a "perma ban."

I didn't break any rules to my understanding, and was asked by another counselor if I'd work with them instead of making my grievances public just a week ago, I whole heartedly agreed. As a result, I thought it was handled on over with. So, I don't know exactly why I'm being banned. Behavior unbecoming, or something or rather...

Ironic...

"Hello zenchi.

A few days ago the council made the decision that you should be excommunicated from the order... the main reasons falling under 'behaviour unbecoming of a knight'... or a member.

Rather than inform you and give you the boot, we'd like to give you the opportunity, if you are interested, to make some apologies, and some recommendations for your apprentices. You should know that the quality of your teachings and influence over Arisaig has been a cause for concern and I do not know that you can see him knighted... But your input and recommendations will be taken into account, as well as any evidence you possess of their non-degree work.

I am sure you will appreciate this opportunity to 'leave like a man'. Additionally I will forward any requests you have to the council.

Thank you."
3 hours ago

Adding, for public record, that Zen and I fixed our problems and are stronger for it. It's easy to be on good terms with someone you barely know, and as involved and active we were in each other's lives it is understandable and even expected to have disagreements pop up.

Im saddened to see you go, master, after working through all that and going through those remediation to fix our partnership. Not saddened to see you leave this place, but saddened that an issue deemed handled has been reversed for the worst. We welcome back those that have openly broken rules, and excommunicated those that stand against injustice apparently. I will learn from your example and be better, I promise you that. Thank you for all you've given and taught me until now.

May the Force continue to guide you.

One of the biggest reasons I am rarely here is because of said corruption. I will probably get banned for speaking my mind, like so many others, but...oh well. Like I said, I am rarely here anymore anyway. It seems that if you try to hold some people accountable for their actions and clear misuse of power, you get banned. I won't go into depth and mention names because it would do little to no good. I have been here for a mere 3 years and I have seen so many people come and go and so many good people get banned while those actually causing problems and doing some VERY questionable things via PM, that it is ridiculous. I won't mention names, but a change needs to happen, but it never will happen in a site such as this.
I am sure my ban email is coming soon so peace, patience, and love to those that are not part nof the problem and doubly so to those that are part of the problem.

I can't believe they are banning you.
What a fuck up..
This place is crazy.
We may not of always got on, but your presence will be missed and your pm's

That's ridiculous. I'd be a much better person to ban than someone like you because I barely contribute anything. With good reason, mind you, but still. You contribute way more to this place than people give credit. Yet another reason I won't go back to trying to achieve knighthood.

The councillor in question should have informed you of the reasons instead of giving you an option the council did not choose. I will list them here.

-You called a fellow knight a 'pussy, traitor and two-faced' when he refused to join an irresponsible protest you had started.
-You bullied multiple members of totjo.
-You encouraged your apprentices to bully members of totjo.
-You regularly make threats when things do not go your way
-You ragequit the positions offered to you when things do not go your way. (Your intransigent hunger for power has kept you out of a council seat, I'm sure even you can appreciate the irony )
-You ignore totjo policies and do as you please when holding office or in a teaching position.
-You spoke ill of totjo, the totjo council, fellow totjo knights and totjo members to newcomers, encouraging them to join other communities instead.
-Your actions, and claims you have made about the totjo council in the past have resulted in totjo being attacked. totjo members subsequently lost privileges they had enjoyed until then, and some of the excessive policing totjo members complain about today... is directly attributable to you.
-You have claimed to be a sith and to be on a mission to infiltrate totjo.
-You have destroyed a totjo member's website after gaining his trust.
-You had narrowly avoided excommunication in the past by having your account deleted first.
-You threatened to take yourself, your training and apprentices away unless the council committed unusual punishment against a member. (demotion or excommunication of Kyrin), and acted on those threats when the council refused to bend to your will.
-You have sought help from the council to control one of your students' poltical opinions outside totjo.
-When the council asked for an explanation, the statement you sent convinced some councillors that you were unapologetic and unwilling to change your behaviour.


The council found overall that your observance of the doctrine is patchy at best, that you have violated your oaths, behaved in a manner unbecoming of a knight and ignored totjo rules and regulations.

As a last note I would like to add that you are being given an opportunity to make a clean exit, make your apologies and send your best wishes. Will you be sharing your students' progress reports with the council?

ren wrote: The councillor in question should have informed you of the reasons instead of giving you an option the council did not choose. I will list them here.

-You called a fellow knight a 'pussy, traitor and two-faced' when he refused to join an irresponsible protest you had started.
-You bullied multiple members of totjo.
-You encouraged your apprentices to bully members of totjo.
-You regularly make threats when things do not go your way
-You ragequit the positions offered to you when things do not go your way. (Your intransigent hunger for power has kept you out of a council seat, I'm sure even you can appreciate the irony )
-You ignore totjo policies and do as you please when holding office or in a teaching position.
-You spoke ill of totjo, the totjo council, fellow totjo knights and totjo members to newcomers, encouraging them to join other communities instead.
-Your actions, and claims you have made about the totjo council in the past have resulted in totjo being attacked. totjo members subsequently lost privileges they had enjoyed until then, and some of the excessive policing totjo members complain about today... is directly attributable to you.
-You have claimed to be a sith and to be on a mission to infiltrate totjo.
-You have destroyed a totjo member's website after gaining his trust.
-You had narrowly avoided excommunication in the past by having your account deleted first.
-You threatened to take yourself, your training and apprentices away unless the council committed unusual punishment against a member. (demotion or excommunication of Kyrin), and acted on those threats when the council refused to bend to your will.
-You have sought help from the council to control one of your students' poltical opinions outside totjo.
-When the council asked for an explanation, the statement you sent convinced some councillors that you were unapologetic and unwilling to change your behaviour.


The council found overall that your observance of the doctrine is patchy at best, that you have violated your oaths, behaved in a manner unbecoming of a knight and ignored totjo rules and regulations.

As a last note I would like to add that you are being given an opportunity to make a clean exit, make your apologies and send your best wishes. Will you be sharing your students' progress reports with the council?

Wow, ive never know you to make stuff up Ren, even defended you today against making falsehoods, but here you are, lying out your wazoo...

I literally looked through the council threads and made a list out of what I found.

I have some things I want to say on this matter, and as one of those who is going to be affected by this decision (if not necessarily directly), I'd ask that before the moderators opt to lock this thread (which I'm considering is a possibility) you hold off for a while longer.

Just because it was posted about in council chambers does not give any of it legitimacy. It's clearly grasping...

Infiltrating the TOTJO, that one's just desperate...lol

Although Zenchi has already thrown some accusations, it is unlikely this thread will be locked or archived. I would have thought such matters better handled in private, but I welcome any solutions to the problems you are about to face Avalon. And you too Arisaig. If you two could grab whatever work you have completed outside totjo, just in case, so that it can be taken into account, it would be great. Thanks!

Zenchi wrote: Just because it was posted about in council chambers does not give any of it legitimacy. It's clearly grasping...

Infiltrating the TOTJO, that one's just desperate...lol

You wouldn't be the first sith to make this sort of grandiose claim without really meaning it... It's not recent and if it were true you clearly messed up when you resigned as advisor but hey, it's in our archives, so it made it here... I cannot speak for the others, whether they opted for excommunication or for 'fixing' you, but I'm sure we all agreed there was general poor behaviour, not enough respect and invalid oaths... Not one single 'Zenchi is a blameless nice guy', sorry to put it this way...

Although curious, what would a Sith gain by pretending to be a Jedi and infiltrating?

Would the Sith try to ban others unfairly, or just hack the website? Just wondering. Can any screenshots be uploaded to the thread or is there a direct link?

The Sith have better things to do than to waste their time "infiltrating" a jedi forum. They're most likely too busy doing things that matter to them. Just putting that out there.

Although curious, what would a Sith gain by pretending to be a Jedi and infiltrating?

No idea, but some people have strange pass-times.

Would the Sith try to ban others unfairly, or just hack the website? Just wondering.

They have done this in the past, yes.

Can any screenshots be uploaded to the thread or is there a direct link?

No, although some of the instances documented happened on the public forum, you can use the search function. Others were via PM and chat and shared with he council on the basis of privacy. Some are direct accounts by councillors themselves, and I am not at liberty to share them.

This is not a popularity contest, the decision was made, and only the council can revert it. Everything that has happened after could affect the decision being eventually reverted, but so far as you can tell it isn't going well.

Why have we only heard from one member of council about this so far, and really the only one that isn't a Knight or taken any oaths that I'm aware of?

I'd like to hear from an proper representative of this Path of the councils decision, formal decision. Not this grasping at straws wee seeing from the only council rep in the thread.

Also 'encouraging his apprentices to bully others'... Really? Have you seen Zens training of us? Its all about beigg our own person, not danced along on a string or ruled by someone. I don't bully people, nor does Ava. So where do you see him encouraging us to do so?

I was wondering that too. If he indeed destroyed a member's site after he gained their trust and encourages his apprentices to bully others,, and did all of those things listed, is there proof? I was just wondering as that is a lot of accusations. I am not really taking sides, I am just saying with so many to list, it may be best to not be hasty and see what's really going on.

I can't pretend to know much about the Sith and what they really want in the end. Never met one. Some say they are harmless, others quite dangerous in terms of ideology. But like with many orders, one will act differently than the other.

I can't pretend to know much about the Sith and what they really want in the end. Never met one. Some say they are harmless, others quite dangerous in terms of ideology. But like with many orders, one will act differently than the other.

I've met a few and they're not necessarily harmless, but they're not going out of their way to do damage where damage is not due. It's an individual path, to say the least, not built for the collective. That's all I have to say about it. Carry on.

Arisaig wrote: Why have we only heard from one member of council about this so far, and really the only one that isn't a Knight or taken any oaths that I'm aware of?

I'd like to hear from an proper representative of this Path of the councils decision, formal decision. Not this grasping at straws wee seeing from the only council rep in the thread.

Also 'encouraging his apprentices to bully others'... Really? Have you seen Zens training of us? Its all about beigg our own person, not danced along on a string or ruled by someone. I don't bully people, nor does Ava. So where do you see him encouraging us to do so?

Your lack of awareness does not mean they aren't there. I have a simple oath and created the oaths of office, which I took. There was no plan for this thread and I don't know if the others will be interested in participating. I contacted Zenchi so that rosalyn wouldn't have to, and before someone who wants this done and over with asap did so.

I don't recall ava committing any acts of bullying, but you arisaig very much did. Your and Zenchi's bullying of a member here directly led to the creation of the red banner you see on every page at totjo.

Nice accusation but where is the evidence? I don't bully. I spent my growing up years being bullied, and hate bullies as a result and the injustices caused by them. Would be hypocritical of me to become one while training to be a Jedi, and instrument of peace.

Edit: and you've ret to show where he encouraged me to do as such, if I did....