Possible world wide revolution?

I always felt that it would be needed to make real changes to help root out all of the corrupt officials in our world. It's explain better in this video but thinking of making more. I understand it won't appeal to everyone and there will be more coming. It's best to research information to find out what is really going on with our world.

Yabuturtle wrote: I always felt that it would be needed to make real changes to help root out all of the corrupt officials in our world.

Entering transparency needs a good threshold of energy to reach as a plateau, because in the early stages of its adoption things will look and feel far worse then they were previously - simply because a much more true representation of what is going on actually emerges. During that transition period life can be harder, and it can be very easy to blame the system that is actually working just because there suddenly is so much material to complain about.

Transparency though is not synonymous with total freedom, and so to the video, I''d say the things which argue against it are the limitations in individual cognition to have any capacity to understand or be aware of the whole. And so what one chooses to project into the unknown is generally going to be a placeholder for functional benefit to some part of their existence. If one uses fear, then it will be running away or fighting, for example. What a free market (not an unregulated one) is in essence by comparison is a set of regulated dynamics which serve to provide a space for unknown activity to enable individuality. This enables change to be interacted with, for change is both inevitable and ongoing whether one interacts with it consciously or not. But this is still an unknown, and interaction with it will involve interaction with unknowns, and regulation of it will require interactions at different points of knowing that particular system but with a responsibility to only use that access for intended purposes. Complete transparency would simply stop the system working and we'd all go to cutting down all the trees for firewood, raping and pillaging etc.. but transparency viewed in terms of administering the responsible conduct of responsibility is where you can both have the benefits of the system while fighting corruption. That is basically what the public service is meant to be, and the shaping of the policies which define those responsibilities is what government is meant to be, IMO. And so logically there are also limitations on the access to government as well, but since they are the top tier level of the system they instead are supported to have the democratic emergency brake of fair voting by the people.

How well a nation does these things probably represents its index of democracy compared to other nations. An example index can be seen here .

The other thing I think argues against the video is that the scope of groups are way to disconnected to exert too large an influence. This is being 'changed' by technology but not necessarily 'reduced' in the free market democratic system. Within a dictatorship technology can really weld shut the escape hatch aka Orwellian 1984. The video starts with 'the mainstream media' as if its a mandated stream, but in the West its up to the individual as to what they use as their main stream. And what is biggest just happens to be what is most popular, and so the power which makes it the biggest is the people.... and in that way this represents the ultimate democracy of free market systems. That is my initial reaction to the video, but it is a bit confusing for me to find a coherency in it TBH.

Adder, articulate and thoughtful as ever.

I would add, which you already hit upon, all the information and transparency in the world is ineffectual if one chooses to to only see one view.

I understand for sure. With mainstream, it's versatile for one thing because it can take many forms and throwing out half truths is better than lies because when people believe it, they are accepting the lie. It would be easy to just dismiss everything and assume it's all lies but you will end up throwing away some truth

Internet helps but can also hinder too, because it's just an overload of information, people can be confused as to what's real, fake, true and lies and they end up being so overloaded they won't know what to do with them selves.

Some will mention that pretty much any system can work with the right leaders. You can have good monarchies and dictatorships but often when government is big, there are big problems that come with it.

In this it has more to do with just the markets, but who is behind it and manipulating it behind the scenes. The ones in charge are often people never even knew existed. But because most of us in the west have a roof over our head and food on the table, people don't seem to care as much even if they are aware of it, which is why nothing is able to change because we do nothing

I take it the video maker was from America.
As an American and as a Jedi - I can only comment of my own path and my own life.
Vote man - vote for the right people to represent you. Support those who do and don’t -those who don’t. Don’t complain- act. Remember - in America - to take action in your own hands is just fine - till you break the laws. Then you fall under that form of freedoms or not. Use your freedoms. I do everyday. My own path is filled with better choices every day , some I already have some I learn as I live and seek. It’s fine to complain - but what are you doing to change the things you find - off? I don’t watch TV. My choice. My own personal view is my family is way at a difrent mind set than before - we are way more closer and more apt to communication than before. Is it due to that desision? It’s due to our focus - our every day focus. I’m glad to hear of people puttin. Their ideas out there. My little brother sends me Joe Rogen podcasts and alptmof other independent news casts- Sonia never in the dark but even some times they get - Mehh. At the end of the day - it’s all about your focus- if one seeks dark - one will miss the light - if one seeks light it will notice the dark but find also - light. My 2 cents ! Thanks for the video ! May the Force be with you !

To offer a different perspective I would ask the author of the video, Who is the shadow government?

It’s a ghost. An undefined group of mysterious people that “must” exist somewhere even though there is no proof of it or can any of them be identified. One can believe that there is a group of people so smart, elusive and secretive as to leave no trace of their existence but if one believes in a higher power that designed the universe, that’s crazy…

If I had to ascertain who the “shadow government" was…

The media and the conspiracy theorist are the ones I would call as the shadow government. Two groups hiding in plain sight, each looking to sway people one way or another, using scrupulous methods.

Both groups that make up this “shadow government” try to get your attention with scare and fear tactics. Neither offer actual facts but instead try to grab your attention with buzz words and theories of how they see what is going on. Both play on the crowd emotional state. Both groups are convinced that the other exists but don’t realize who the other is. So they play as if they are the true champions of truth while the whole time attempting to convince you that the evil is out there and we need to wake up and see it. Misdirecting accountability from them.

The revolution that will help is the one where people wake up and stop taking the bait offered by these people. The narrative that says we need to be suspicious and mistrustful.

I’m sure this idea will unnerve and rattle some people. Most likely because they have spent such a long time convinced that they were on the right path that to question it would only be insulting. If one can’t honestly question what they believe then how strong is that belief?

Wescli Wardest wrote: To offer a different perspective I would ask the author of the video, Who is the shadow government?

It’s a ghost. An undefined group of mysterious people that “must” exist somewhere even though there is no proof of it or can any of them be identified. One can believe that there is a group of people so smart, elusive and secretive as to leave no trace of their existence but if one believes in a higher power that designed the universe, that’s crazy…

If I had to ascertain who the “shadow government" was…

The media and the conspiracy theorist are the ones I would call as the shadow government. Two groups hiding in plain sight, each looking to sway people one way or another, using scrupulous methods.

Both groups that make up this “shadow government” try to get your attention with scare and fear tactics. Neither offer actual facts but instead try to grab your attention with buzz words and theories of how they see what is going on. Both play on the crowd emotional state. Both groups are convinced that the other exists but don’t realize who the other is. So they play as if they are the true champions of truth while the whole time attempting to convince you that the evil is out there and we need to wake up and see it. Misdirecting accountability from them.

The revolution that will help is the one where people wake up and stop taking the bait offered by these people. The narrative that says we need to be suspicious and mistrustful.

I’m sure this idea will unnerve and rattle some people. Most likely because they have spent such a long time convinced that they were on the right path that to question it would only be insulting. If one can’t honestly question what they believe then how strong is that belief?

I think the name doesn't matter very much. It can be called shadow government, illuminati, new world order, ect. The name isn't important. It's the people behind it. I don't think the idea that people so powerful and so elusive that people don't even know if they exist is impossible.

Although while some conspiracy theorists are fear mongers, I don't think it's very fair to say all of them are. Some worked in the sector and are fortunate enough to know what's actually going on, but only small details. If you noticed, the more powerful the group is, the more elusive they are? How many people people really know who the Rothschilds are or what they have done and they are arguably the wealthiest people on the entire planet.

When some people give out information it isn't just for the sole purpose of scaring people for no reason. Doesn't make much sense. It's to get people concerned about their surroundings and really if you knew full well what the elite were doing and what they have done, wouldn't that scare you a little bit anyway? Especially with technology today, messing around with food, surveillance ect. It's pretty understandable why someone would be concerned, but the person saying it isn't just trying to scare them for no reason. It's to get them concerned and the truth can sometimes be frightening.

The problem is people love to lump conspiracy theorists all together like people do with religious groups, as if to assume they all believe in the exact same things, work the same way, have the same brain wave pattern ect. and that is just pretty untrue. Some of them are actually disinformation agents claiming to be for the people but are actually leading people astray while are some are people who found out what was doing.

One shouldn't be so quick to judge either. Some will say fake stuff to get attention. Some were actually abducted by groups or aliens and if they say anything people will label it as false. For one thing, the idea is not impossible. Human and alien relations go way back and even the ones in the military mention alien meetings or at least seeing technology is not of this world. Just because it isn't listed in our text books or main stream, media, which twists things or leave half truths, doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it can never happen. If I told you I was abducted and you say aliens don't exist or are not on the planet, does that mean it didn't happen and I will just take you word for it? No, I know what happened, even if I can't prove it.

just be careful with this, some of the way the nwo has been defined is so broad that it will catch alot of innocents in the definition. the one i keep hearing is 'oh you're not christian, your part of the nwo'. i'm not saying it isn't possibly a concern, but the definition has been made so broad that that is also a concern.

Solacii wrote: just be careful with this, some of the way the nwo has been defined is so broad that it will catch alot of innocents in the definition. the one i keep hearing is 'oh you're not christian, your part of the nwo'. i'm not saying it isn't possibly a concern, but the definition has been made so broad that that is also a concern.

That is the thing I had never understood that those who believe in it do happen to be christian, a lot of them, mostly protestant. But some have had the idea that if you support or are part of anything that isn't christian, you are part of the nwo or helping it. I know that's a lie because I'm not christian and I am against totalitarian systems like this and I know others are too.

Some think it has something to do with the end times, that the coming of the nwo has something to do with revelations at the end of the bible. There's a few hints there but Christianity is not the first to have it's own end times. Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, even Norse Paganism and Zoroastrianism and Islam. Some involve apocalyptic stuff while others talk of just a change.

I always wondered why it had to be a dystopia first before a utopia. I believe we can move forward without all the suffering.

Yabuturtle wrote: Some think it has something to do with the end times, that the coming of the nwo has something to do with revelations at the end of the bible. There's a few hints there but Christianity is not the first to have it's own end times. Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, even Norse Paganism and Zoroastrianism and Islam. Some involve apocalyptic stuff while others talk of just a change.

I always wondered why it had to be a dystopia first before a utopia. I believe we can move forward without all the suffering.

Mankind is an imperfect being. How can an imperfect being create the perfect society?:huh:

There has to be suffering because we are the instruments that design systems where people suffer. And no amount of pretending that we can accomplish what we are incapable of accomplishing will make it true. That is why service to others and self-sacrifice is the zenith that leads to the sublime.

We cannot create a utopia but we can participate in utopia. This is the Telos of man. Even the ancient philosophers understood these truths.

Wescli Wardest wrote:

Yabuturtle wrote: Some think it has something to do with the end times, that the coming of the nwo has something to do with revelations at the end of the bible. There's a few hints there but Christianity is not the first to have it's own end times. Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, even Norse Paganism and Zoroastrianism and Islam. Some involve apocalyptic stuff while others talk of just a change.

I always wondered why it had to be a dystopia first before a utopia. I believe we can move forward without all the suffering.

Mankind is an imperfect being. How can an imperfect being create the perfect society?:huh:

There has to be suffering because we are the instruments that design systems where people suffer. And no amount of pretending that we can accomplish what we are incapable of accomplishing will make it true. That is why service to others and self-sacrifice is the zenith that leads to the sublime.

We cannot create a utopia but we can participate in utopia. This is the Telos of man. Even the ancient philosophers understood these truths.

I did not ask for a perfect society because that cannot be obtained to begin with. Only a better society which can exist. Discussing it needs to happen first before it can happen. You can't please everyone however if many countries knew what was going on, they'd be more willing to work with each other

We don't have to like each other in order for us to work together. That's the thing. To have a better society, every country does not have to be friends or even close allies. There just needs to be peace.

A better society can exist. It's happening now. Back then we were more willing to wage war with each other, had slavery and groups had much less rights, but we started moving forward. Because people did something about it, instead of only talking about or making excuses to not participate and help out.

I seriously doubt that every thing has to be destroyed and we have to live in a totalitarian regime in order to have the great society we all dream of just because we are imperfect as is everything Nothing saying we can't skip that and avert that and the end times don't have to occur. At least when it comes to government betraying their own people which they often do and are still doing.

Although with natural destruction such as the sun exploding or we face another cataclysm that's likely unavoidable. But by that time, I am hoping we are advanced enough to protect ourselves from such things such as space travel and terraforming other planets.

Governments working on secret technology probably already have that if they are in league with aliens (Which I'm not sure why people insist it's impossible just because it's not well known in our media, which lies half the time anyway)

Basically whatever you have, the government has a better version of it. But it does not need to be that way all the time

I took the line you wrote, “I always wondered why it had to be a dystopia first before a utopia” to mean you wanted to create or looked for mankind to move towards a utopia. By your response I must have misunderstood you.

There is still slavery in the world. There is still war. And there are those looking to take people’s rights. None of this has disappeared.

In the US, people are more prosperous than ever in human history. With better technology, access to medical care, housing, food and crime is at an all-time low but there are those that would spread how unjust, hate filled, and repressed we are. The fact that you and I can even have this conversation is proof of how much better we have it off over many places in the world. Yet many in the media and many of the conspiracy theorist use fear tactics to spread a level of uncertainty and impending doom looking to sway the more easily lead.

Governments will always have secrets and develop things in secret if for no other reason than the security of their nation. Even if we were one world government, this would happen.

No matter what, because of human nature, there will be bad people that do bad things. If one wants freedom, there will forever be conflict at some level because there are those that want to take your freedom and security. This is the natural order of the universe. It is what creates balance.

I’m still not sure as to what totalitarian regime you are referring to… for the great society… But in the past, when we look to government to solve our problems it has never worked out for our betterment. I believe that any real progress that is going to be made has to be made from the bottom up. That means starting with you and me. The average person.

Global revolution = Global war.

Historically, most nation's that undergo revolution either putter along and fail, or go through a period of aftershocks such as civil wars where smaller sub-factions grapple for control.

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Wescli Wardest wrote: I took the line you wrote, “I always wondered why it had to be a dystopia first before a utopia” to mean you wanted to create or looked for mankind to move towards a utopia. By your response I must have misunderstood you.

There is still slavery in the world. There is still war. And there are those looking to take people’s rights. None of this has disappeared.

In the US, people are more prosperous than ever in human history. With better technology, access to medical care, housing, food and crime is at an all-time low but there are those that would spread how unjust, hate filled, and repressed we are. The fact that you and I can even have this conversation is proof of how much better we have it off over many places in the world. Yet many in the media and many of the conspiracy theorist use fear tactics to spread a level of uncertainty and impending doom looking to sway the more easily lead.

Governments will always have secrets and develop things in secret if for no other reason than the security of their nation. Even if we were one world government, this would happen.

No matter what, because of human nature, there will be bad people that do bad things. If one wants freedom, there will forever be conflict at some level because there are those that want to take your freedom and security. This is the natural order of the universe. It is what creates balance.

I’m still not sure as to what totalitarian regime you are referring to… for the great society… But in the past, when we look to government to solve our problems it has never worked out for our betterment. I believe that any real progress that is going to be made has to be made from the bottom up. That means starting with you and me. The average person.

Definitely. There is still corruption. I am not saying those things don't exist but bad stuff has decreased somewhat. Some groups are persecuted in other areas and slavery still exists, but can't think of a country where it's actually legal.

You cannot destroy evil but you can suppress it greatly. There will always be conflict. Even if there were no wars and everyone got along great, we would still need weapons, and know how to defend ourselves in fear of an alien or extra dimensional invasion from hostile forces. And it's a big universe out there, assuming we are not just one of many universes and there's a multiverse.

Maybe there will come a time where we all become enlightened and finally evolve mentally and spiritually where doing bad things to each other wouldn't even pop in our heads but it will take time

Some conspiracy theorists do spread fear and are fear mongers. However some who tell the truth will be labeled a conspiracy theorist because you are talking about something that is not status quo. Again, we cannot lump them all in the same group.


My idea is we will need to become enlightened to realize what is going on. Governments keep secrets about everything. Hidden technology, hidden races, artifacts that are part of our history. It makes sense because that's exactly what we would do if we were in their place. When you keep such things hidden you have more power over the others, hence knowledge is power.

Instead of waiting for the big crisis to happen, it'd be best to act now before it happens. When you do it after it happens it becomes much harder. All of the ones involved in the false flag wars, poverty, scandals ect. would likely be tried for treason. Hidden technology would be open to us, allowing us to prosper more. Cures we thought never existed would exist, such as cures for many other diseases, repairing broken nervous systems ect. Not to mention space travel would be open. Since there would be little to no wars. since at this point every country would be more willing to work together once they realized what their governments were doing. Populations would rise dramatically and it would cause problems.

Only way I'd see a way out of it is to not have as many children or to terraform planets but that would take time. Paraterraforming would make more sense since you can have much quicker habitable places.

What you'd need to do is get inside its decision making loop, ie predict its actions. That will allow a couple of things; it allows you to know your conspiracy is not a dream, nightmare, delusion etc; but also it affords a capacity to attribute your theory or actions to it in a way that is much more within your control - by being ahead of it, rather then being a reactive one. Anything reactive is in effect controlled to some extent by that which is reacting, and so runs the risk of the reaction being an illusion of reaction when in fact its desired action by deceit. People fall into this trap especially well because as an individual its impossible to stand against a crashing Star Destroyer. If you know its crashing, then you can warn people in advance to get out of the way. For the weakness of the larger entity is its harder to maneuver and change state, which means smaller agents can glean information which enables asymmetry.

Why is that important for a Jedi IMO, because I think it means you'd be increasing your knowledge about it which enables a refinement of ones position in relation to it. You might find out something new, worse, or even change your mind entirely from new information. Maybe wisdom comes from seeing that which is not apparent to others, so proper use of focus and knowledge to enable that might fit well with the Doctrine here.

The risk many people don't acknowledge (to progressing capability) is defining themselves by an imagined struggle and creating a place in that as a way to see and define the world around them. It works to some extent, of course, because its created as a reaction to explain or interface with some real environment or situation - but its not exactly best practice IMO for the above reason!!

Yabuturtle wrote: I always felt that it would be needed to make real changes to help root out all of the corrupt officials in our world. It's explain better in this video but thinking of making more. I understand it won't appeal to everyone and there will be more coming. It's best to research information to find out what is really going on with our world.




I liked your video. You should watch The Last Avatar by Jay Weidner. I prefer a rebellion instead of a revolution.

Does anyone know the top causes of the Bronze Age collapse?

Heavenly Warrior wrote: Does anyone know the top causes of the Bronze Age collapse?

Brilliant my master! Was it... dare I say... corruption?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Heavenly Warrior wrote: Does anyone know the top causes of the Bronze Age collapse?

Brilliant my master! Was it... dare I say... corruption?

:laugh: I'm so glad you're back!

Thank you I have not see it yet. Isn't a revolution sort of a rebellion?

That's what I want. Something to get all people interested about and help others become enlightened.