Force theory

Hello everyone,

I just registered on your page after speaking with the admin(?) of the facebook page.

I just had a question regarding force theory and whether anybody has seriously looked into it?

As ridiculous as that may sound, scientifically its not entirely impossible.

It comes neatly under Aether theory (also called Ether theory) something which both Aristotle and Einstein believed in. A material that occupies space through which waves propagate. Although many modern physicists don't subscribe to the idea due to its semi-replacement by Einsteins theory of relativity. However it is documented that Einstein still believed an Aether was possible. it would explain why, in quantum mechanics, particles behave as waves under certain conditions, so it wouldn't conflict with quantum theory.

You see the ancients believed the Aether to be a kind of barrier between the physical and spiritual in a sense, where energy from the spiritual world was translated into the physical. In this way the world around us is shaped by the spiritual. Spiritual energy is said to come in the form of electromagnetic waves and gravitational forces you see.

Its also known that the human body has its own "field" of sorts, given many names but multiple cultures, but it is thought to be semi-electromagnetic in nature. It is also said the human soul vibrates at a certain frequency. Modern alchemists for example seek to raise the internal vibrations of ones self in order that they may rise above their lower states of existence. Anger and lower actions give rise to low vibration, love and kindness to higher vibrations, simply put.

In theory then, if one were able to manipulate ones own field (or soul depending on your belief), then it is theoretically possible to propagate waves of vibrational energy through the Aether medium in order to give rise to other forms of wave and particle energy that may be able to manipulate the physical world around us based upon our internal intentions.

This is a very simplified version and will no doubt be debated. My key point here though is the theory. Based on what we know thanks to modern physics, our observations have an influence on the world around us. The law of attraction states that we attract what we think about. Is it so ridiculous to think that it may be possible to manipulate the physical in more ways through the power of mental and spiritual focus?

First you would have to provide evidence this spiritual realm even exists. What mechanisms proprigate this energy and how those mechanisms interact with the corporeal. Namely how does spirit become or interact with reality?

Magic is just science we don't understand yet.

And interesting theory, and thought we may not be able to prove something's existence ( eg. the spirit, the Force, God, ect) there must be something to it if, over thousands of years and across cultures that never interacted, people have believed in something more beyond the corporeal realm. Perhaps, one day, with enough practise and knowledge of the universe, a person may unlock these sciences.

That's a fallacy, argumentum ad populism. Just because many believe it, does not make it true.

I don’t know if anybody here has seriously looked into it, though I like to remain open-minded.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: That's a fallacy, argumentum ad populism. Just because many believe it, does not make it true.

Not saying it is true, just that there is truth to it.

This is the best semi-scientific attempt I've seen to describe a Force Theory:

Science and the Akashic Field:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Akashic-Field-Integral-Everything/dp/1594771812

well worth a read!

Arisaig wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: That's a fallacy, argumentum ad populism. Just because many believe it, does not make it true.

Not saying it is true, just that there is truth to it.

How is that any different?


This "theory" is not a theory at all in any sort of scientific terms. It would be generous to even call it a hypothesis. It's actually just unfounded speculation and blind assertion designed to confuse the reader by mixing valid scientific theory with new age mumbo jumbo.

For example how does one come to the unfounded conclusion that "raising" our frequency has anything to do with emotions? You just confuse the issue by equivocating the electromagnetic spectrum with some sort of "soul vibration". First you have to define exactly what a soul is and secondly you have to prove it has some relation to the electromagnetic spectrum. Are you actually suggesting that UV radiation is somehow less evolved than infrared? How does this make the slightest sense?

Kyrin Wyldstar, scaring away the newbies going on two yrs now, :laugh:

https://youtu.be/_WJXRpE7vME

Hey Kyrin,

I understand your concerns, my aim with this post is to discuss the topic.

Your first point, proving the spiritual realm exists is certainly a challenge in itself. The way it has been said that the spiritual and the physical interact make it nearly impossible to measure or detect using modern scientific methods. However, sound seems to be the most successful method from what I've heard of. Another method that has been tried is geometric electromagnetism, something that took off more recently.

You are correct when you say its more of a hypothesis, and this certainly not a complete hypothesis by far. However, i think you are a little confused when talking about the frequency. The frequency I talked about isn't measurable, its a term used in alchemy to describe the raising of one's self. Frequency when discussed in this manner is not the same as frequency in scientific terms, at least not exactly. It would be best if you read up on it yourself as I may not be explaining it very well.

The point i'm trying to make is both spiritually and scientifically, the "force hypothesis" has a valid foundation.

Zenchi wrote: Kyrin Wyldstar, scaring away the newbies going on two yrs now, :laugh:

Zenchi, why do you feel the need to attack me personally in the middle of a scientific and philosophical debate such as this? I do welcome any rebuttal to my position you may have and I would love to debate you in that regard, but I see no need to make the claim that I am chasing anyone away.

Jp1887 wrote: Hey Kyrin,

I understand your concerns, my aim with this post is to discuss the topic.

Your first point, proving the spiritual realm exists is certainly a challenge in itself. The way it has been said that the spiritual and the physical interact make it nearly impossible to measure or detect using modern scientific methods. However, sound seems to be the most successful method from what I've heard of. Another method that has been tried is geometric electromagnetism, something that took off more recently.

You are correct when you say its more of a hypothesis, and this certainly not a complete hypothesis by far. However, i think you are a little confused when talking about the frequency. The frequency I talked about isn't measurable, its a term used in alchemy to describe the raising of one's self. Frequency when discussed in this manner is not the same as frequency in scientific terms, at least not exactly. It would be best if you read up on it yourself as I may not be explaining it very well.

The point i'm trying to make is both spiritually and scientifically, the "force hypothesis" has a valid foundation.

The problem here Jp, is the same as you yourself mentioned, in how it can't be measured, yet...

Although we are a church, there are a few of us who insist on empirical evidence to be presented before they consider it valid. Hence the reason I don't bring up the Force or Magick here, far too many people with nothing better to do than to chew a topic to death, because it's within the rules and allows them to do so :silly:

That's not to say these topics don't have validity to you or others, the power of belief is a powerful thing indeed, just understand that theorizing out in the open where there be lions, is asking for it. Just a heads up....

We have weekly cantina chats every Sunday, hope you become a member here (it's members only) and come hang out in our chats, the lions don't hang out there, and for good reason, :evil: :lol:

If I may, I don't feel you are chasing me away Kyrin, and I welcome any debate/ criticism from members. I'm simply trying to see if anybody else has worked on this idea before, as I have a degree in Forensic Science with my specialisation being in chemistry and physics in medicine. One of my hobbies is studying the ancient works, such as the works of Aristotle and ancient Egyptian tradition. After many years reading about various subjects both scientific and spiritual in nature, it is widely recognised among many cultures that the human condition allows for the influence of matter in some way, such as observation in quantum mechanics.

Therefore I was curious to see if others had thought of this idea before.

Jp1887 wrote: Hey Kyrin,

I understand your concerns, my aim with this post is to discuss the topic.

Your first point, proving the spiritual realm exists is certainly a challenge in itself. The way it has been said that the spiritual and the physical interact make it nearly impossible to measure or detect using modern scientific methods. However, sound seems to be the most successful method from what I've heard of. Another method that has been tried is geometric electromagnetism, something that took off more recently.

You are correct when you say its more of a hypothesis, and this certainly not a complete hypothesis by far. However, i think you are a little confused when talking about the frequency. The frequency I talked about isn't measurable, its a term used in alchemy to describe the raising of one's self. Frequency when discussed in this manner is not the same as frequency in scientific terms, at least not exactly. It would be best if you read up on it yourself as I may not be explaining it very well.

The point i'm trying to make is both spiritually and scientifically, the "force hypothesis" has a valid foundation.

Hmm these are interesting thoughts. However let me offer some counter points.


How is sound a successful method to detect the supernatural? And what exactly is geometric electromagnetism?

Believe me I have read extensively on "vibration". But I must ask you, how does vibration, as you describe as being undetectable by scientific means, any different from vibrations that don't actually exist? If they are undetectable, and by that definition not part of our corporeal reality, how do they affect our corporeal reality?

My apologies, I'm new here and didn't realise it was against the rules to openly discuss this topic. As for magic, i'm not really sure about that, I'm simply relying on science here as best I can, with written analogies from ancient figures such as Aristotle.

Jp1887 wrote: My apologies, I'm new here and didn't realise it was against the rules to openly discuss this topic. As for magic, i'm not really sure about that, I'm simply relying on science here as best I can, with written analogies from ancient figures such as Aristotle.

Not at all, no rules regarding the topics you've mentioned, just come prepared!

Jp1887 wrote: My apologies, I'm new here and didn't realise it was against the rules to openly discuss this topic. As for magic, i'm not really sure about that, I'm simply relying on science here as best I can, with written analogies from ancient figures such as Aristotle.

No no no jp!!! Do not allow zenchi to actually do something he accused me of!!! We welcome such subjects and such debate! You are well within your bounds!!!

I could prove it's gifts. I think though, more people need to experience the spiritual for themselves, and find the evidence they so crave.

A wise motto Zenchi

As for moving forward with this, as I know Kyrin raised some valid questions, do you wish for me to continue the discussion openly here or is there a more appropriate place to discuss these things? As I don't want to break the rules or anything.

Ok, in which case allow me to begin by answering some of your questions Kyrin.

Sound has been reportedly used in many scientific attempts to "talk to the dead". While I do not agree with the practice myself, various individuals have had success. From what I remember it involves the use of waves to "carry" sound from the other side.

Geometric electromagnetism is the use of geometry to induce powerful electromagnetic fields and electromagnetic regions by ensuring a flow of electrons follows a specific geometric path. The most recent testing with this kind of thing was vortex mathematics. At least thats one of the more recent experiments I've heard of. Whether they had any success I do not know.