White vs Brown People

Is it just me or is the global community turning into some kind of new nazi thing? I see US+Russia+UK vs Mexico+China+EU happening. White nationalists vs brown welfarists. We got walls going up, immigrants on the run, shiny white leaders cozying up to one another. Just sayin, it's looking like we're heading for a white vs brown thing...

I certainly don't support the nomenclature, but I also fail to understand your categorization. In how far are China and the EU supposed to be in the 'brown welfarists' category? I believe this is a minefield - I don't see an approach to a discussion like this that doesn't very quickly turn sour. Labeling, misconceptions, you name it. I'll keep the popcorn ready in any case

Yeah, I'm with Cyan Sarden on this.

A. How are China and the EU 'brown welfarists'?

and

B. How can you label the entirety of any nation as one 'colour'? Especially countries like the US and UK that have some of the most culturally and racially diverse populations on the planet.

Could you maybe provide a little more information to clarify things as I don't really understand what you're talking about

Whyte Horse wrote: shiny white leaders cozying up to one another.

And that's a good example of the problem. Bias.

In all of your examples your "brown" category are poor homeless and helpless people running from their war ridden homes and your "White" Category leading the world in their "Shiny" glory.

For the last 6 years America was ran by a BLACK President. Not a shiny white leader

And there are just as many greedy "Brown" Leaders cozy-ing up in their richly spleandor while there are just as many "White" people living in less than favorable conditions.

I am white. And i am currently living in a home with no heat and a snow storm forcast on the way. Not so shiny and cozy if you ask me


I agree with Cyan. Nothing good can come out of this topic.

I am SO glad no one got baited into this political booby trap.

I'll bite my tongue for now as well.

If you take away a lot of labels you'll find at the heart ... People vs people. Then at that it's just opinion vs opinion .

if you dont want a "white vs brown thing" then dont promote one

dont frame the discussion as if its a battle, and we all have to be on one side vs the other

use your voice to promote rational thought, open dialogue, and the idea that we as americans really are in this together, and its in all of our best interest to work together, even though that is difficult at times

be personally dedicated to the idea of cultural unity rather than racial victory

Whyte Horse wrote: Is it just me or...

It's just you.

Magnus Staar wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: Is it just me or...

It's just you.

man, i wish i could believe this

unfortunately, i see this "white vs brown" thing too, though differently.
i see what appears to be a large and growing movement of people intent on stirring up group vs group enmity across a variety of populations. specifically, im talking about the SJW's, who confuse personal demographic for personal identity, and from there cast judgement on individuals based on the individuals personal demographic

i do also agree with the idea that there are powerful economic conglomerates at work in the world that are highly exploitative, particularly of the poor, and that many (though not all by any means) of the individuals who direct those organizations fall into the racial category of "white"

but it isnt "white vs brown" and those who frame it that way only make the problems worse

Cyan Sarden wrote: I certainly don't support the nomenclature, but I also fail to understand your categorization. In how far are China and the EU supposed to be in the 'brown welfarists' category? I believe this is a minefield - I don't see an approach to a discussion like this that doesn't very quickly turn sour. Labeling, misconceptions, you name it. I'll keep the popcorn ready in any case

Yeah I really didn't want to go there but it's the here and now for the the mainstream. We might as well just stop being in denial and accept the reality, even if we don't like it. I'm not expressing my opinion here, just discussing what I see taking shape.

I think the EU has plenty of nationalists emerging and even had a nation exit the union, with several others threatening the same. Plenty of parties calling for similar trump agendas and some outright racist leaders.

Perhaps white and brown isn't the right terminology, but what is? We just went through hell in the US under Obama with police killing black people.

Brick wrote: Yeah, I'm with Cyan Sarden on this.

A. How are China and the EU 'brown welfarists'?

and

B. How can you label the entirety of any nation as one 'colour'? Especially countries like the US and UK that have some of the most culturally and racially diverse populations on the planet.

Could you maybe provide a little more information to clarify things as I don't really understand what you're talking about

A. China is communist and asian, hence brown and welfarist. EU not so much but the tensions seem to be between the wealthier white countries like Germany, UK, France, and the more socialist brown countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, etc.

B. I don't label countries as white or brown based on the population demographics, but based on the leaders, people who make policy decisions. Putin=white. May=white. Merkel=white. Trump=white. Jinping=brown. Nieto=brown. Mukherjee=brown. etc

I don't subscribe to race. I think it's a fictitious social construct. But maybe a lot of people think it's real, or at least these leaders believe in it. So the real question is: Does anybody else see this happening? Is this what's going on? Perhaps these rich white leaders have an affinity towards one another... hence the policies they are producing.

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Magnus Staar wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: Is it just me or...

It's just you.

man, i wish i could believe this

unfortunately, i see this "white vs brown" thing too, though differently.
i see what appears to be a large and growing movement of people intent on stirring up group vs group enmity across a variety of populations. specifically, im talking about the SJW's, who confuse personal demographic for personal identity, and from there cast judgement on individuals based on the individuals personal demographic

i do also agree with the idea that there are powerful economic conglomerates at work in the world that are highly exploitative, particularly of the poor, and that many (though not all by any means) of the individuals who direct those organizations fall into the racial category of "white"

but it isnt "white vs brown" and those who frame it that way only make the problems worse

Yes it's very divisive. Immigrants, muslims, rapists, drug dealers, etc. Is this part of the new cyber-war? Get another country's population all divided and fighting? Is it mostly propaganda? DoD employees on facebook? Would be nice to see through it if it is.

And here we go again.
We should be talking, but all we ever seem to do is spin.
Wake up little ducks, we're going for a swim: https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine

Whyte Horse wrote: A. China is communist and asian, hence brown and welfarist. EU not so much but the tensions seem to be between the wealthier white countries like Germany, UK, France, and the more socialist brown countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, etc.

B. I don't label countries as white or brown based on the population demographics, but based on the leaders, people who make policy decisions. Putin=white. May=white. Merkel=white. Trump=white. Jinping=brown. Nieto=brown. Mukherjee=brown. etc

I don't subscribe to race. I think it's a fictitious social construct. But maybe a lot of people think it's real, or at least these leaders believe in it. So the real question is: Does anybody else see this happening? Is this what's going on? Perhaps these rich white leaders have an affinity towards one another... hence the policies they are producing.

Well now I'm even more confused.

You think race is a fictitious social construct and yet you label every country based on the colour of it's leader's skin?!

I think it worth noting that many countries political systems differ from the US. So in the UK for example, we vote for the party, not the leader. Theresa May could be black/white/green she'd still be the PM.

Also, going back to the EU 'welfarists', sorry the 'socialist countries' like italy, greece and spain. Italy isnt socialist, its current coalition is in the centre, Spains current government is the right wing People's Party, again not socialist, and Greece is pretty central as ots coalition is made up of left wing and right wing parties.

So again, don't understand what you're talking about?

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: If you take away a lot of labels you'll find at the heart ... People vs people. Then at that it's just opinion vs opinion .

:kiss: could not have put that better

People are definitely buying into the false narratives, special snowflakes being triggered, of course those that carry stereotypes picked up from real experience of them becoming involved as well. Just more divide and conquer, unfortunately for the darker complexion of the species if it ever came to an all out race war, they would lose and in a very sarcastic but still true way the so called White Privilege was earned through survival of the fittest. I don't think it's a good thing and I'm not boasting about it because obviously some very horrible atrocities were committed by whites but at the end of the day Africans traded Africans for pigs that started the slave trade, Native Americans, Latinos and Middle Eastern people have been warring and slaughtering each other for centuries.

The 5th column media, combined with Soros financed DNC communist whackjobs and fascist rhinos are working around the clock to stop Mr. Trump by fomenting civil unrest, maintain total media blackout about who is financing who, so the generation two of Marxist indoctrinated college students continue swallowed the hook, line and sinker of revised history and processed assessment of current events. We in the US are in for a wild ride. Just look at this Day without Immigrants day, it's laughable. No one is proposing to stop immigration, immigrants from 7 countries were halted for what, 90 days to put in place a very strict vetting process? I wonder where these people come from and how they can stand out there doing what they do, until I found out they are actually being paid like $15/hr to march around and cause a ruckus for a cause that doesn't exist and is only to serve further dividing the sheople.

EDIT: And while people are worrying about white vs color, what about pizzagate where it has now officially came out that the top bosses and people at the DNC are engaged in satanic child sex trafficking? Oh but white privilege and Russia "hacking" are the real worries because pizzagate is a "debunked conspiracy theory" according to the honest and upstanding 5th column media?? Wow.

I see this as a product of mass propaganda, yes there are tensions between people of different cultures, it happens it has always happened. When you only focus on those you sub categorize people as something besides just people. First and foremost, Just a little insight I am learning from dating a Chinese girl (conservative Chinese), it takes effort to get past the cultural difference and understanding. There is a Morgan Freeman interview on race a few actually that really made me look at things differently but, people have to make the choice and effort to overcome the forces that seek to divide.

I also, see this as a product of progression through what we have as social systems in light of Globalization. Nationalism is not a highly practiced philosophy in most developed countries unless warfare is present. This means that many will reject the national identity and begin to group with those they feel most comfortable with. This tends to mean grouping by ethnicity ect. because it is the easiest point of relation. At the end of the day it is simply a societal shift many are not ready to make. To add to that mass media of any form is using as war tactics against those of opposing views ( a product in and of itself of non-objective news and the fading/changing of nationalism as we define it). Just my 2 and 1/2 cents.

Much Peace and love,
Tim

I read that "Weaponized AI Propaganda Machine" link that Locksley posted above. It speaks volumes about what I'm seeing happen. They collect 2000 data points on 220 million americans and then categorize them into sets of beliefs so they can use those beliefs to sway people. Imagine what those data points look like: Age, sex, race, income, job, sexual preference, education, etc. Then you create sock-puppets(fake facebook accounts) and post something like "Trump hates women" to a bunch of women's feeds. It's insidious. I hope it doesn't get out of control and make people so angry they start killing each other...

I come on to TOTJO once every few weeks... this is the most ridiculous thread I've seen in a long time.

Let's shove everybody under two headings and think that makes the foundation for a sensible conversation. :sick:

Edan wrote: I come on to TOTJO once every few weeks... this is the most ridiculous thread I've seen in a long time.

Let's shove everybody under two headings and think that makes the foundation for a sensible conversation. :sick:

You just did what you're accusing us of doing. Read the thread...